When I delete a iMessage from a conversation, does it get deleted from the recipients screen as well ?

francoisbernard wrote:

Well, Ok.

It's an hidden functionality I should use more often ! 😁

But more seriously, what do you think about the comparison with author rights ?

A better comparison would be if you mailed a letter (if you remember those) and then, once it was delivered to the recipient's mail box, you went and removed it. Once the message is delivered, it's not yours anymore. It belongs to the recipient. You have no right to remove data from someone else's phone.

If you're concerned about this sort of thing, use a service that lets you send messages that expire (e.g. Blackberry Messenger). Of course, you'll have to convince all your contacts to use the same app.

Meg St._Clair wrote:

A better comparison would be if you mailed a letter (if you remember those) and then, once it was delivered to the recipient's mail box, you went and removed it. Once the message is delivered, it's not yours anymore. It belongs to the recipient. You have no right to remove data from someone else's phone.

If you're concerned about this sort of thing, use a service that lets you send messages that expire (e.g. Blackberry Messenger). Of course, you'll have to convince all your contacts to use the same app.

I do remember them.. 😉

I'm here to discuss, as the site is called «discussions»..

It's not about my concerns, I'm talking about law actually. I'm not here, you neither, to exchange what we trust. The authors rights are facts, not faith.

I have no rights to remove data ? Tell that to Apple…

I'm the author, I remain the author even when the letter has been read. Yes, like a painter.

And what is true for a sketch or a letter, should exactly the same for a mail (electronic version of the paper, no difference) and the texts (electronic version of a short letter..)

I'm ok to discuss a technical point, because I'm asking a question, and expect someone to explain, technically.

What you trust is not my concern, and I'm not here to receive any sarcastic lessons about what I should try to make my friends do…

Can anyone explain me why, legally and technically speaking, we couldn't imagine that an author remains author, and therefore keeps his rights, even when the message has been read ?

Technically speaking the message in the recipient's phone is just a copy of the original version.

«you have no rights»… In that specific case, I have all the rights ! I am the author.

The actual situation, as long as none can argue, remains illegal.

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Edit : how can you explain here, I can modify (so, delete eventually) a message and not in my texts ?

If I follow your logic, I have no rights to modify this message because it already displayed on your screen.

but...

No, that is not what the site is for.

You have no special rights as the author of a text message, email, Facebook message or anything else. Once it is on my device you cannot enter my device and delete it. I can make copies of it, back it up, do all sorts of things with it. Do you also have the right to have me mount my backup, retrieve the message and delete it?

I think not.

The simplest answer to your "question" would be for you to cease sending messages then the problem goes away.

funny. Is it a leitmotiv here when you run short on arguments, you attack people personally ? — just asking

Do you have the tax we have in France about the author rights when we buy a new hard drive, or a usb key ?

We actually do pay a tax in anticipation of future copies.

So, at least for us, even when the copy has not been done yet, we already pay. Which proves that there is a right, even on the copy.

But, as they can't handle this, and because it's logical to back up, we pay a tax, which acts as a licence fee.

I think I have rights when my message is on your phone, as Mike Jagger have rights when you copy his songs on thirty hard drives, and that's why they made a tax…

francoisbernard wrote:

Can anyone explain me why, legally and technically speaking, we couldn't imagine that an author remains author, and therefore keeps his rights, even when the message has been read ?

Because you have no legal right to delete anything from devices that are not yours.

francoisbernard wrote:

funny. Is it a leitmotiv here when you run short on arguments, you attack people personally ? — just asking

No one has attacked you, personally or otherwise.

This is a technical support forum. Your original question was answered. "Author's rights", hypothetical situations, all of that, are really inappropriate discussions for this website. If you want legal advice, you should consult a lawyer.

That's a clear answer.

Thank you very much !

When you consult that attorney select one that is knowledgeable in copyright law. There is no "Author's" rights there are copyrights and it is quite complex. You will need to add a copyright notice to all the messages you right (the attorney can help you right that) and then make a legal request to a recipient asking that they delete the item in question. This would not always be applicable because of fair use provisions of the copyright law and if they are not using your message for commercial gain you might have problems getting a court order.

Everything you have written here has become property of Apple, Inc. and they can reuse this thread in any manner they see fit. You can ask them to delete it but they do not have to.

Then what is it when after a case, stollen pictures (it happened for a french female swimmer) are considered illegal to have ?

Of course she didn't personally erased pictures from devices. But had the right to ask people to do it.

Then, if they refused, they knew they were in an illegal situation.

…personally, I refused ! 😁 (just kidding)

Here it's not about stollen text, but she had rights on her pictures, even after sending them to the right person.

Why not regarding texts ?

that's my question.

But I understand this is the wrong place, or at least, it's your place, so you decide what's discutable or not.

(don't forget there is an «s» at the end of discussions in the url.. > don't walk too much in line, in the Apple's rails, just an advice 😉)

Cheers,

Nonsense, irrelevant nonsense.

And as you can't do what you want with iMessage which service will you complain about next?

francoisbernard wrote:

But I understand this is the wrong place, or at least, it's your place, so you decide what's discutable or not.

(don't forget there is an «s» at the end of discussions in the url.. > don't walk too much in line, in the Apple's rails, just an advice 😉)

No, this is not deggie's place or my place. It is Apple's. If you have forgotten the Terms of Use to which you agreed when you signed up, now might be a good time to review them:

Apple Support Communities Use Agreement

Oh, thank you.

deggie wrote:

You will need to add a copyright notice to all the messages you right

I like the idea.

why is it non sense ?

You do have that right to ask if they are copyrighted. But again talk to a copyright attorney for your wording and to determine when you can ask, it is not absolute. In the case of the pictures they were stolen and not intended to be distributed to the public. I am assuming you are freely sending your text messages.

Just be ready for people to start blocking your text messages. I know I would.

Because it contains nothing that makes any sense, or relevance.