Options for using FCP 7 and FCP X

I recently upgraded from Final Cut Pro 7 to Final Cut Pro X and also changed my OS to Mavericks. It appears if I try to open any FCP 7 files the FCP 7 program crashes after start-up. Although FCP X is working fine, I was wondering if I could create a separate user on my iMac and load a previous OS that supports FCP 7 as I had in the past? I know I can use some software like 7 to X to convert some of the FCP 7 files but occasionally I would just like to edit older projects on FCP 7. Any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.


I am currently using an iMac 27 (Late 2013), Processor 3.5 GHz Intel Core i7, 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3, Graphics NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M 4096 MB, Software OS X 10.9.4

iMac, OS X Mavericks (10.9.4)

Posted on Sep 16, 2014 4:36 AM

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Sep 16, 2014 5:01 AM in response to 27993buck

You don't need a new user and/or partition for a different OS. FCP 7 and X coexist nicely on Mavericks.


How did you install FCP 7? If you didn't use the installation disks, you will have tons of problems.


Apple has a KB document of best practices for installing both versions. Essentially, it's best to install FCP 7 (and related FCS programs first) and then hide it (them) in a folder. Then download X.


You can;t have both 7 and X open at the same time.

Good luck.


Russ

Sep 16, 2014 7:39 AM in response to 27993buck

Basically you can't have both apps with the same name in the Applications folder, so alter the name of one slightly or put your FCP 7 in another folder inside the apps folder . . . . there are a number of permutations.


You must also install from the DVD as Russ said.


I've got FCP 7.03, FCE 4.0.1 and FCP X 10.1.3 all peacefully existing on my Mavericks powered iMac.


P.S. If you are only using FCP 7 occasionally, install it in a folder named Final Cut Studio . . . . that way Software Update will recognise it and allow you to update to FCP 7.0.3

Sep 16, 2014 4:40 PM in response to Russ H

I did install FCP 7 with the discs through an external drive before I downloaded FCP X.


I just placed the FCP 7 application in a new folder inside the Applications folder and then opened FCP 7 through the new folder. About 20 seconds after the program opened it crashed again. Any other ideas on what could be happening? All other programs seem to be working ok.

Sep 19, 2014 4:15 AM in response to 27993buck

27993buck wrote:


I also contacted Apple and there response is that FCP 7 can not run on Mavericks and there is not a work around?

That is incorrect. As has been posted earlier in this thread and in many other threads, Final Cut Studio and the new generation of Apple pro apps work fine on Mavericks.


Something else is causing your crashes. Have you gone through the all the steps I listed in my preceding post? If you have and it still crashes, it could be caused by some conflict – something other than the installation. (Have to interject that over many years of using different versions of legacy FCP, with a succession of OS versions, I never had a crash. So I'm not exactly accomplished in troubleshooting FCP 7 crashes.) Yes; I would download ProMaintenance Tools form Digital Rebellion and run their crash analyzer. It will report recommendations to fix the cause. Although it is not inexpensive, you can try it for 15 days to see whether it identifies the solution to your problem and whether you want to invest in the entire bundle of utilities,


BTW, here are Apple's best practices for running FCS and FCP X on the same partition.


Russ



Install Final Cut Pro X, Motion 5, or Compressor 4 on the same disk as Final Cut Studio (2009)

This is not the preferred method, but you can use it if you are unable to install on a separate partition.

  1. From the Apple () menu, choose Software Update. Install the following updates if they appear in the list:
    • Mac OS X v10.6.8 or later
    • ProKit Update Version 7.0
    • The latest versions of the Final Cut Studio (2009) applications
  2. Purchase Final Cut Pro X, Motion 5, or Compressor 4 from the Mac App Store. The app you purchase will begin downloading automatically, and the app icon will be added to your Dock with a progress bar below the app icon. Once the app is done installing, the progress bar below the app icon will go away.When you install Final Cut Pro X, Motion 5, or Compressor 4 on the same startup disk as Final Cut Studio (2009), the Final Cut Studio (2009) applications are moved to a new location (/Applications/Final Cut Studio).
  3. To verify that the Final Cut Studio (2009) applications operate correctly, open Motion 4, and then quit Motion 4.Important: Make sure to open Motion 4 first, before opening any other Final Cut Studio (2009) applications.You can now use Final Cut Studio (2009) and Final Cut Pro X, Motion 5, or Compressor 4 on the same system, from the same startup disk.Note: Final Cut Server, Podcast Producer, Software Updates for Final Cut Studio (2009), and some third-party workflows and tools may require that the Final Cut Studio (2009) applications remain in their original location in the Applications folder.

Restore the Final Cut Studio (2009) applications to their original locationFollow these steps to move the Final Cut Studio (2009) applications to their original location while still being able to use Final Cut Pro X, Motion 5, or Compressor 4 on the same system.

  1. Create a folder called “Final Cut Pro X” (without quotations) in your Applications folder.
  2. Drag the Final Cut Pro X, Motion 5, and Compressor 4 apps into the Final Cut Pro X folder you created.
  3. When prompted, type your administrator password.
  4. Locate the Final Cut Studio folder in the Applications folder. Modify the permissions on the Final Cut Studiofolder by selecting it and choosing File > Get Info.
  5. Click the disclosure triangle to the left of “Sharing & Permissions” to show the permissions for the Final Cut Studio folder (if they are not already visible).
  6. Click the lock icon in the lower-right corner of the window.
  7. When prompted, type your administrator password.
  8. For the “admin” entry, click the current privilege setting and choose “Read & Write.” Close the Get Info window.
  9. Drag the contents of the Final Cut Studio folder into the Applications folder.
  10. Open Motion 4 (now located in the Applications folder). After it opens completely, quit Motion 4.

Sep 20, 2014 12:15 PM in response to Russ H

Tried this installation sequence and steps above 3 times and I continue to get the same crashes in both FCP 7 and Motion 4. I have even tried new projects in both apps with limited files in each but they both crash within a few minutes of startup. I appreciate your help Russ and Ian and don't really understand why this is happening. I am certainly not an expert but I have been using FC and FCP for almost 7 years and now I don't really know what to do. I have a brand new iMac that will not support any of the existing work I have done in the past, very frustrating. Apple Care and the Apple Store will not help me on this because they say its an OS issue. Are there any other options to try or services that might be able to help?

Sep 20, 2014 2:21 PM in response to 27993buck

OK. Here are some more thoughts:


1) I don't see any indication that you followed the suggestion to use the Digital RebellionCrash Analyzer. If you haven't, it would be good to see what it reports.


2) Clear NVRAM by holding down option - p -r when you boot.


3) Start up in Safe Mode; log in and then re-start.


4) Run FCP7 from a new user account.


5) Connect another drive and install Mavericks and FCP & and FCP X. Boot from that drive and run FCP..


6) Post your problem in the Final Cut Studio forum, the FCP.co forum, or the Creative Cow FCP forum.


7) Back up everything and do a clean install of Mavericks. (Longtime FCP editors have generally been adamant that the way to ensure stability in the FCS apps is to install the apps on a clean system.


Good luck.


Russ

Sep 21, 2014 10:43 AM in response to Russ H

I have used the Digital Rebellion Crash Analyzer and have received a number of Suspected Causes from Motion Plugin, Graphics Card and User Interface Crash. I have tried the Perform Action option a few times and with the User Interface Crash and it did delete some of the preferences. For the Motion Plugin and Graphics Card it just tries to do a software update and those all seem to be up to date.


I cleared the NVRAM.


I haven't tried a New User Account and have not tried to boot from another drive either.


In reading some posts from FCP.co and Creative Cow it seems like this was a prevent problem earlier in the year but I really hope there is some kind of fix here.


I looked into doing a clean install of Mavericks and it appeared there were a few options or ways to do this properly, do you or anyone have a recommended method to do this install? I get a little nervous when completely installing an OS and just want to make sure I don't mess something else up. Thank you for all your help.

Sep 21, 2014 12:21 PM in response to 27993buck

Here's Apple's support doc on installing on an external drive.

OS X: Installing OS X on an external volume

Here's their doc on doing a clean install on your existing start-up drive,


OS X Mavericks: Erase and reinstall OS X


(It goes without saying that you need to ensure you ave a complete up-to-date backup of your files before you do this.)

Why not try the new user first. It should only take a few minutes to find out whether the problem is at the user level.


Russ

Sep 21, 2014 1:31 PM in response to Russ H

Just tried a different user and I had the same result in FCP7. I am starting to see a pattern in FCP7 and the crashes seems to happen if I click on an un-rendered .motn file. I put together a sample project in FCP7 with some imported video files as well as captured some new video clips with the Log and Transfer option. It was actually working ok until I imported another motion file and then it crashed. Could it be a problem more with Motion 4?

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