ios - 8 where are the 'camera roll' and 'photostream' albums?

That might work for some casual photographers, but it's not a solution for anyone even reasonably serious about it. As you say, without access to the metadata the user has his/her hands tied. And no, it's not a reasonable solution at all when every photo is uploaded to Apple's servers by default and deleting it anywhere deletes it everywhere. As I said above, we need to know where a source file is and have the OPTION of sending it to the cloud or not. The camera roll was a key part of that. Photos in the camera roll were all local files either made on or downloaded to the device. I don't want or need the 4,000+ images I generate per month for work and for pleasure automatically uploading to the cloud and then propagating to every one of my iDevices. In particular I don't need copy written images and client nudes appearing in my photostream, on my Apple TV or on Apple's cloud AT ALL.

See, this is the problem. Apple, in this new format, treats all photos equally. But all photos are NOT equal. THAT is the inherent problem here. The lack of distinction between cloud and local, between device created and downloaded, between deleted locally and deleted universally etc. etc..

This needs to be fixed and the problem is MUCH deeper than the loss of the camera roll.

Well said, my friend. What is also surprising is how little publicity this little "problem" is getting. I asked people at Mashable and other sites that follow Apple to get this word out. Right now - I was able to do this, am sure you cant due to volume - I saved all my pics in a 3rd party app....My "recently added and deleted" are empty on phone and pad...and also in icloud. From this environment I should be able to learn how all this works...although it ridiculous that I have to do it this way. I am close to expert in these matters - I feel for the average guy....jonB

Yep. At the moment my hands are tied because of the sheer volume of photos I have locked up in my iPhoto library. But if this isn't fixed I'll be forced to take extreme measures and find some new solution. What a pain! And I agree. It's kind of remarkable that it isn't getting more attention. I suspect that tomorrow, when people start migrating to the iPhone 6 that may change...

I can learn to deal with this over time... the one thing I need to learn (and I think there should be) is how can you access all photos stored on your device. Forget about photo stream, collections, albums, all that crap.... where are the freakin photos stored. There has to be a way to view them as a group instead of looking for HEARTS on RECENTLY ADDED.

the one thing I need to learn (and I think there should be) is how can you access all photos stored on your device.

For me the greatest problem with this new version is that I cannot even tell the pixel size of the photos, the camera, or the file type. When I am seeing two versions of the sam photo side by side and want to delete one of them, I cannot find out, which is the low resolution jPEG and which is the high resolution RAW file. And there is no way to annotate photos with captions or keywords.

Another weird thing I just noticed.... I have randomly taken about 10 pictures today... just to try to figure this new thing out. In addition to not being able to figure out where my pics are stored... I now notice another oddity in the RECENTLY ADDED.

Some pics I have taken appear at the front of the RECENTLY ADDED folder while some appear at the END. Why aren't they even in chronological order?

I too am absolutely flummoxed over the missing Camera Roll. The new whatever it is just does not seem intuitive to me. Case in Point: Lets say I am surfing the web and copy a photo to my ios device. If that photo has any date metadata, it will show up in my albums (whatever one has them all by date) as the date in the metadata and not/not on the date I added it. Sure, it will show up in Recently Added, but it will also drop from recently added in 30 days. Same is true if someone e-mails or texts you a photo. Moreover, with Camera Roll you could see your photos in the order they were taken or added (actually, in order by file name) which I found so very, very easy to use. I just don't get why Apple thinks this new system is better. For some people, maybe it is. But for many of us, it is not!

Apple -- Please, oh please bring back the good old Camera Roll. Sometimes simple IS better.

Oh, now here's a tricky bit. Today I accidentally took a couple of photos - my hand hit the iPhone screen while it was pointed at the ground, and I got some nice shots of the pavement. I immediately deleted them, as total junk. At the time I was on a bike, nowhere near WiFi and therefore not connected to Photostream. But guess what got uploaded to Photostream several hours later when I connected to wifi? Yes - the very two photos that I had immediately deleted from the phone. I guess because they're merely "recently deleted", Apple figures to sync them up for me anyhow.

This is going to come as a nasty shock to people - who hasn't taken a photo that they immediately thought better of and got rid of? Well - if you use your iPhone running iOS 8 to do it, you are going to have to delete your mistake more than once to make it go away for good!

The more I read about this dogs breakfast which is what photos has become, the more convinced I am that its time to shift my photo management to an alternative application. I do NOT want every photo I take to be shared to the cloud and every device I own. I dont have that much space and I have no intention of buying more icloud space. Its just insane. Apple has really got it wrong this time. They have fixed something that is simply not broken. REally annoyed. I liked photostream as it was. I do not like the current options and will not be upgrading to iOS8 until I get my photographs into Lightroom or similar.

I ran into the ""This photo is not editable" issue, and after some experimenting here is what I have found. It seems the Recently Added is really just a view into the shared stream. Images originating on a device are editable because the original is stored locally. Images originating on other devices must not be fully downloaded on the device, but must be a lower res preview of some sort. But you do not have to Duplicate and Edit as it suggests. Just select the image(s) and hit the button as though you were going take an action on it, such as emailing it. Choose Save Image(s) and the image(s) are downloaded, enabling favoriting and editing.

Razz

From your linked post:

Long story short: All the inconsistencies are gone since I disabled Photo Stream and turned on iCloud Photo Library. Changes I make on one device are visible on the other. If I delete a photo on my iPhone, it's gone from my iPad as well (also gets deleted from any album a photo is in. If I delete a photo from within an album, only that photo is deleted but the original is still in the Photos tab).

Just a caution: With iCloud Photo Library enabled you are no longer able to sync photos from a Mac using iTunes and the Photo Stream no longer works from the Mac to your portable devices. So how to upload photos from the Mac, sice the corresponding Photos.app on the Mac has yet to be released?

If we used iCloud Photo Library would it add all those photos to the cloud and then push them to our other devices?

The iCloud photo library is stored in the iCloud and not on the mobile devices. You can access it from any mobile device, that has iCloud Photo Library enabled.

But this may change - Apple just removed all documentation for iCloud Photo Library from its web pages and downgraded the library to Beta. I would not rely on any of the features, until the status is no longer Beta, see:

Apple Pushes iCloud Photo Library Back to Beta as SMS Continuity Delayed to October - Mac Rumors