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Podcasts no longer auto-downloading under iOS8

Sometime around iOS6, Apple changed the behaviour of the Podcasts app. Instead of having to open the app to check for new episodes it would, if suitably configured, download new episodes in the background.


iOS8 seems to have broken this feature. Since upgrading my 4S, Podcasts will notify me (via the badge) that new episodes are available but will not begin to download them until the app itself is launched. All of my settings are as you would expect; automatic downloads are on, downloads over 3G are on just in case I lose WiFi, check time is 1 hour, Background App Refresh is enabled. But after an arbitrary time running in the background the Podcasts app will just stop fetching new episodes, until it's launched again.


I used to be able to go to work in the morning safe in the knowledge that my new episodes were downloaded and waiting to be played. Now I have to remember to launch the Podcasts app at least five minutes before I leave the house, to be certain of downloading anything that was updated during the night. This is a huge step backwards.


The behaviour can be mitigated to a certain extent by making sure Podcasts is the last app to be launched before putting the iPhone to sleep at night. But it's still no guarantee, because the app's background processes still seem to die after a couple of hours. I see similar behaviour on my 4th generation iPad but anecdotal evidence so far suggests that the Podcasts app is not being shut down as frequently on the iPad as on the 4S. All of which suggests it's a resource issue, the iPad having more RAM and more efficient hardware than the 4S.


Reading some developer blogs there is vague information about a new feature in iOS8 that automatically kills "battery hungry" apps. But of course Apple are notoriously tight-lipped about the inner workings of their operating systems and so far I've not managed to find any information on how this feature operates, what its criteria might be for determining what constitutes a "battery hungry" app, or even whether it actually got implemented. What's interesting is that, looking in the new Battery Usage page of iOS8 on the 4S, Podcasts is nearly always at the top of that list with up to 44% usage in a given period. But this is hardly surprising as I listen to podcasts most of the working day with the phone in Airplane Mode.


Might this new iOS8 feature be so aggressively determined to kill hungry processes that it's crippling Apple's own built-in app's ability to do background downloads? I'm not a developer, so I don't have access to logs or any other useful debugging tools and this is a guess based on pure gut and experience. But something definitely seems to have changed in iOS8 and if Apple did introduce a battery-saving feature that kills background processes then it will be a staggering coincidence if the two things are unrelated.

If anyone else has seen this behaviour can you please add a comment with any ideas or interpretations you might have, or at least click the "I have this problem too" button. I intend to contact Apple directly (or as directly as is possible with Apple) and it would be nice to be able to point to a group of people with similar issues rather than just my lone voice in the wilderness.

Posted on Oct 7, 2014 12:47 AM

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Oct 21, 2014 11:58 PM in response to denali_uk

I decided to wait until after the iOS8.1 update to see if it made any improvements and, amazingly, Podcasts does seem to have reverted to its earlier behaviour. Certainly when I woke this morning there were new, automatically downloaded podcasts waiting for me on both my iPad 4th gen and my iPhone 4S. This hasn't happened since iOS8.


There is still an outstanding issue with some third-party code being shut down in the background after several hours but I'll need to do some more experimentation to determine whether this is also affecting Podcasts. But for now it looks as though Apple may have squashed the automatic downloading bug that was introduced with iOS8.


Thanks to everyone who clicked the "I have this question too" link. If the problem reoccurs, having 25+ people with the same symptoms will hopefully be useful in getting some weight behind the issue if I have to contact Apple.


But my gut feeling is that this problem is no more. I really hope my gut isn't wrong.

Oct 26, 2014 5:16 AM in response to denali_uk

Hmm. It looks as though I may have jumped the gun on this one.


A couple of days after posting the first reply I awoke to find that, of two podcasts that should have downloaded overnight, only one had actually downloaded. The other was flagged as new when I woke the phone but only began downloading when I opened the Podcasts app. I put this down to a possible feed problem and ignored it.


But over the next couple of days the pattern repeated. Some podcasts were downloading automatically while others weren't, especially overnight.


I'm not a developer but I am in communication with one, and he has demonstrated that there seems to be a new function in iOS8 that will kill certain background processes after almost exactly four hours of uptime. I have been able to see this first hand by looking at his app's log files.


Alas there are no such log files for the built-in Podcasts app, or at least not any available to the general user, so I can't know for certain whether this is what's happening here. But it definitely feels as though something might be timing out over longer periods than was happening before.


I need to do some more experimentation but here's what I think has happened here based on my experience and the vaguest of information from this blog post.


iOS8.0 introduced a couple of new battery saving features designed to curb the activities of "battery hungry" apps. The first of these features closed background apps at indeterminate intervals when they were perceived to be draining power, while the second killed any long-term background app after approximately four hours of uptime regardless of what it was doing.


The native Podcasts app accidentally fell foul of both of these new features, meaning its background downloading of subscribed podcasts was rendered almost useless.


iOS8.1 has changed things so that the "battery hungry" algorithm is less aggressive and no longer closes the Podcasts app. But the four hour timeout is still being applied, meaning that the Podcasts app will only do background downloads for a maximum of four hours before it needs restarting.


As I say, this is pure speculation but it certainly fits in with my experiences, the experiences of the developer I've spoken to, and what's written in that blog post regarding power management. I need to do some timed experiments to be certain, which may take a while, but it definitely feels as though only one of the issues has been fixed with this update.


I'm going to start by leaving the phone on continuously with the Podcasts app front and centre when I'm not using anything else. If my theory is correct, there should be no missed downloads because the four hour timeout won't get a chance to kick in. It's less than ideal because it's trying to prove a negative, but it's the best I can do.


More news as it comes.

Oct 26, 2014 1:51 PM in response to denali_uk

Likewise, I'm not having much success with automatic downloading feature. I have tried this setting up with wifi only and alternatively using mobile data to no avail. With the podcast app running in the background and Background Refresh option enabled in Settings, nothing seems to download until I open the app in the foregrond. The only thing that seems to be updating in the background is the badge showing the number of new episodes. This has proven to be quite annoying as despite preparing overnight, my podcasts never seem to be ready to watch on the go.

Oct 27, 2014 5:39 AM in response to denali_uk

Same here. The particularly annoying thing is that the podcast app displays the number of episodes available even though those episodes are not downloaded. In fact it will not even allow me to force a manual download, even though I have a good Wi-Fi internet connection. I find the whole system of splitting up saved, "my podcasts", podcasts from my computer, et cetera confusing.

Dec 12, 2014 1:47 AM in response to denali_uk

I am having the same issue, except I can't think of a time that any of my podcasts download automatically at all. I have checked the settings and they are all set to refresh each hour and auto download.

Further to this issue I find the app to be really buggy. Sometimes opening it, will show the top 1/3 of the screen chopped off in a Station I have created and you can't get to the top. The only way to fix is close the app completely (double tap home and swipe it away) then relaunch.

Podcasts needs some serious attention.

I can also attest to other background services being flaky too. Google reminders sometimes don't come through or come through days later (particularly location based ones) and google+ photos rarely auto backup without first opening the app and forcing it to check for new photos. I understand this may be those apps but I suspect maybe a link, as the OP suggested. The system killing background processes.

Dec 29, 2014 1:44 PM in response to denali_uk

I have the iPhone 4S and only upgraded from iOS6 to iOS8.1 and then 8.1.1 recently. Held out until I couldn't get an app I really, really wanted, but I'm totally regretting it. I can confirm that the Podcasts app used to download in the background. I only got around to searching on this issue and finding this thread because ATT texted me today stating my data usage had peaked for the month - first time ever. My investigation determined the cause is solely related to the "new" behavior of the Podcasts app which I only access while driving back and forth to work. Would appear to be a bug that wasn't fixed in 8.1 or 8.1.1 so it would appear I need to turn off "auto download" so I may control when I consume data.

Jan 4, 2015 5:32 PM in response to denali_uk

I'm finding that when I download podcasts manually that have failed to download on my iPhone 6, they are prone to disappear and show an icon with the cloud and arrow implying they need to be downloaded again! This a pain since I want to listen to them from my car or when I'm away from my wifi. Isn't that the point of podcasts?


Why is Apple not all over helping us with this?

Podcasts no longer auto-downloading under iOS8

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