Where is option to have side bar in iTunes 12 ?

Terence Devlin wrote:

But the sidebar isn't removed...

I had exactly the same thought when I read that pastebin.com article.

If the people complaining about the changes to the sidebar aren't clear about that, I doubt Apple will ever do anything to "fix" it.

Well, just sorta confirmed how I get iTunes 12 jammed down my craw.

In my previous post(s) I noted that my App Store updates stopped working when I deleted iTunes 12 and re-installed 11. As my buddy surmised, it seems this "broke the connection" with the App Store. So...

With distaste and abject reluctance, I installed iTunes 12 (again) and all my updates immediately zipped onto my Mac like shlt through a goose.

If I'm right in i.d.'ing the problem it seems Apple is saying "upgrade to 12 or we will stop your updates". Nasty stuff.

That is nasty. My loyalty to apple is constantly shrinking. This and "unauthorized accessory for charger cables among other things. This is what happens when you worry about your stock holders over your users. And eventually will be the downfall...

No, the sidebar has been removed.

By sidebar, we mean the panel on the side that could be activated to display at all times, customized to include our chosen items, and specifically include functions like the display for our peripheral devices such as the iPad, iPod, and iPhone.

The so-called "sidebar" that exists now is just a playlist that appears in the same place, but not all of the time, and has ****-useless functionality. It is not a sidebar. It is a joke. And since Apple doesn't call it a sidebar, claiming that that's what it somehow still is is a serious act of denial on Apple-apologists' parts.

LaraRebooted wrote:

No, the sidebar has been removed.

By sidebar, we mean the panel on the side that could be activated to display at all times, customized to include our chosen items, and specifically include functions like the display for our peripheral devices such as the iPad, iPod, and iPhone.

I know what you mean (except for the customizable part) but the fact remains that there is a sidebar in iTunes 12 (because "sidebar" is a generic term). If you keep saying that "the sidebar" has been removed then a lot of people (including the powers that be at Apple) are likely not to understand what you mean, & possibly that you simply don't understand how iTunes 12 works.

The so-called "sidebar" that exists now is just a playlist...

Not true. Depending on the item selected & the sync options, the sidebar may contain other items besides playlists.

"Sidebar" may be a generic term, but it's not the one Apple is using, so I don't see how you think they can be confused about us asking for the sidebar back.

In iTunes 11, under View, you have the options "Show Sidebar" / "Hide Sidebar." Apple called it the Sidebar. It referred to a very specific program element.

In iTunes 12, to activate the generic "sidebar," as you insist on referring to it, you have to click "Playlist," which is only available for certain windows, or click other options that aren't named "sidebar," either. It's pretty disingenuous to come in here claiming that we're using a non-specific term. We're using the term they used, and which they retired from use when they retired the feature we're asking be restored. If that's us being confused, it seems pretty clear who's responsible for the confusion.

LaraRebooted wrote:

In iTunes 12, to activate the generic "sidebar," as you insist on referring to it, you have to click "Playlist," which is only available for certain windows, or click other options that aren't named "sidebar," either.

You can also drag items from the main window. When you do that, a sidebar pops out from the left, displaying everything you can add that item to, including any iOS devices iTunes 12 syncs with.

It's pretty disingenuous to come in here claiming that we're using a non-specific term.

Nevertheless, it is a non-specific term & it is not disingenuous to say so. See for example the Sidebar (computing) Wikipedia entry.

All I'm saying is if you want to make sure everyone understands what you are talking about, you need to be a bit clearer about exactly what it is you mean. In this case it is more than just that they "removed" the sidebar, since in fact there are multiple, context sensitive sidebars in iTunes 12.

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The people at Apple know what a sidebar is and how their users want it to function, it been working great for several generations of the program. It's only the latest version of iTunes where they made it all needlessly complicated.

All we want is the iTunes 12 to work like iTunes 11 did.

True

Every update, they change everything. why?

Once you get used to it, they change all?????

Itunes is for me the worst app for trabsfering music. mega lag and fiddly

sidebar was so good. why remove it??

Slroth1 wrote:

The people at Apple know what a sidebar is and how their users want it to function ...

According to Apple, there are 800 million iTunes accounts. How many of the account holders do you think want it to function the same way?

R C-R wrote:

Slroth1 wrote:

The people at Apple know what a sidebar is and how their users want it to function ...

According to Apple, there are 800 million iTunes accounts. How many of the account holders do you think want it to function the same way?

By that very logic, isn't removing any functionality that has been adopted by users a problem?

The crux of the matter as I see it comes down to 'Why?'. Why make the changes? It seems to me that all It software companies and website owners have this mania for "flex fingers" 'freshening up their design'. They have departments full of developers and at the top some marketing types who need to justify their existence. So they have to have Change. Whether the Change is for the good or not is often a moot point. In the case of iTunes 12 I see little on the web to suggest that people are happy with the Change.

Change has to be for the better. New features, for example. Not, as in the case of iTunes 12, Change for Change's sake.

Same goes for the tweaks in Mavericks. For example, I liked the little spinny thing when Mail was Getting Mail. It reassured me that Mail was doing something. I liked the little black dot inside the red dot at the top LH corner of the screen in Text that reminded me I'd not saved the document. Yes, I know it reminds me to do said Save if I attempt to close the document but somehow it just seems clunkier. Change for Change sake.

In Safari, I struggle to see if there is a valid Show the Previous Page. The differential between there being one and not being one is, to my eyes, non-existent. Change for Changes sake.

I struggle to see in the Dock whether a program is running or not. Again, Change for Changes sake.

Google are just as bad. They used to have a useful sidebar with additional search options where you could, in one click, select a date range or a country but now that is all hidden...it steals my time.

There is an old adage....if it ain't bust then don't fix it. Apple and Google (and others) would do well to remember that.

At the risk of digression, I think there are parallels to "development" like this in many businesses. Bigger is better, and mega-bloated is best it seems.

I am an avid sports motorcyclist and have seen bike models grow from their origins (put in gas, start, ride and have fun, stop) to colossal monuments to overkill and unnecessary cost. For example, most if not all modern bikes have:

- a zillion levels of traction control, wheelie control, stability control, braking control, fuel consumption control, starting on a hill control, riding away with your side-stand down control, suspension control, navigation control, lighting control, turn signal control, sound system control and other stuff too stupid to mention

- much of this is because they insist on bring out bikes with so much power that 99.9% of riders would kill themselves if left alone with the controls

- all this unnecessary crap means bikes are mega-heavy, cost tons to buy and cost tons when any one of the zillion do-dads breaks.

Sounds familiar?

The beauty of Apple is simplicity, they make highly functional products with intuitive interfaces. The iPhone and iPad don't even ship with an owners manual, that's crazy, but it works. My 75 year old mother learned to text on her iPhone, that's nothing short of a miracle.

This latest iTunes 12 doesn't live up to that standard, it's not intuitive. They need to get it back on track before they turn into Microsoft.