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blurry font on yosemite

so i've upgraded to yosemite.

overall i like it, simplified and more like iOS

however the first thing that hit me is how blurry all the text is everywhere!

it's pretty awful, i'm sure it wasn't that bad with mavericks

the menu bar at the top of the screen is worse of all, i really don't understand what is going on here.it's bad and i hope it will be addressed in an update

User uploaded file

i think you can see from this screen shot how the web text is fairly clear whilst the menu bar is blurry

iMac, OS X Yosemite (10.10)

Posted on Oct 17, 2014 7:37 AM

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May 9, 2015 10:13 PM in response to cosmotic

In exploring alternatives to Yosemite, I found that Windows 7 and 8.1 have what seems to be a built-in sort of "eye-test" to fine-tune the display of fonts for readability, called ClearType. The test has four screens and on each screen are multiple blocks of identical text, from which you pick the one most legible to you, and then on the last screen Windows sets the font display to match your choices. It is described like this:


To tune ClearType

You can use the ClearType Text Tuner to adjust the legibility of the text on your screen to your visual preference.

1. Open the ClearType Text Tuner by clicking the Start button  , and then clicking Control Panel. In the search box, type cleartype, and then click Adjust ClearType text.

2. Make sure the Turn on ClearType check box is selected, and then click Next. On each page, click the text sample that looks best to you.

3. On the last page of the tuner, click Finish to save your settings.  If you're prompted for an administrator password or confirmation, type the password or provide confirmation.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/make-text-easier-read-cleartype#1TC=w indows-7


Does Yosemite have anything like this "eye-test" built in to enhance legibility and eliminate bluriness? I have not been able to find anything like this on my MBP.


Regards, Nate 😀

May 9, 2015 11:59 PM in response to MacsSince1984

No, in Yosemite there is nothing similar to Windows ClearType fine tuning.


Anyway the blurriness subject of this thread is a bug of the anti-aliasing software; yosemite has surely a worse anti-aliasing software than mavericks (at least on non-retina display) and combined with a poor choice of UI font (helvetica ???) it results is a worse general readability. But even if we had an anti-aliasing software tuner, we would still have the random blurry fonts effect.


It's a bug, and if they care for their old customers (which honestly I really doubt), they should fix it. Up to now they didn't and I suspect that if a new iMac line will be presented in the near future all with retina display, issues like our will be simply ignored.


bye

Enrico

May 10, 2015 5:55 AM in response to enryfox

I bought a retina iMac and there is no bluriness. So the bug seems to be on older hardware (older graphics cards?). As I reported to Apple, the bug could be activated by switching between dashboard and desktop rapidly.


As I no longer have the older machine I can't tell if the bug was fixed. The problem with this thread is that it is a mix of reports of an actual bug, and the fact that some people think the font isn't as clear. The latter isn't a bug in code, though perhaps a bug in design.

May 10, 2015 9:01 AM in response to Jamie Curmi

I also posted under Apple Support: "yosemite font size is too small for vision impaired" and " How can I uninstall Yosemite and go back to Maverickc" etc.

This is not only an issue about retina vs non retina. I also got iMac Retina and came across Yosemite because of this, since I cannot install Mavericks on it. Definitely font readability and contrast is still the issue on imac Retina or any retina machine, since it is due to selection of fonts (type, size, contrast, thickness and rendering that is inherited by the OS X). For the first time I am spending hours to play with the "color" settings in the display on my iMac retina (and tested and had to do this on macbook pro retina on Yosemite). I agree that font blurryness is not there, but this issue is not only due to blurriness that everybody thinks, it is about font rendering. Font type: Helvetica is one problem, narrower,harder to discriminate on eye, thus people are more comfortable on Lucida Grande (wider fonts) on small text, thus easier to read. This is something like Arial was better readable on XP than Calibri on win 7. Calibri would look good on power point for large text but not for smaller desktop fonts. Second, In yosemite Apple chose for the first time "thin" "Light" fonts, meaning stg like, instead of Calibri, it is now Calibri-light, so fonts are now thinner, and lighter, grayer (rather than dark black). Some people blame Jony Ive, don't know who, and I don't care but if you put an esthetic person on a serious productivity issue like fonts and contrast, then this happens. Thinner fonts means harder to read (recently this fashion propagated to some websites fonts, some sites saw the issue and corrected back), and each alphabets sits on less pixels when rendering. Degredation will be worse for non retina displays as expected.

Just check out calendar icon with number 7 on it on Mavericks vs Yosemite when you make the icon small, you will see that thicker and darker fonts on Mavericks will be easier on human eye to discriminate. When you make the fonts thin, it "looks" good from a distance for larger cases but when you try to read and understand smaller fonts, you will feel eye strain more and more. Interestingly Windows font rendering is also thinner fonts after XP and as you know after Steve Jobs, Apple sit back and started implementing changes. They were checking on windows and Samsung, and font issue is one unfortunate decision (this is only my guess).

The last but not the least, awful selection of color/contrast theme: In yosemite there is too much white and gray, rather than gradient and light blue colors. I am not fan of 3D stuff but previous UI was very good in discriminating the main object from the background. Now with Yosemite it is harder. Apple is aware of this, they added increase contrast and reduce transparency to improve on this, but actually this does not improve at all, what we need is to increase the contrast in the front object, meaning that fonts have to be fatter/darker/thicker, background should be light (light blue/light gray). They should add an option similar to iPhone that "bold-font" option. I am using my iMac retina in lower resolution than "best for retina" option, it makes the fonts a bit darker, and looks fatter, with the cost of slight loss of sharpness, since it is so many pixels, still I don't loose the sharpness much. I tested this whether this is related to iMac Monitor problem, and installed Yosemite on my macbook pro retina, so the hardware is the same as Mavericks. I put lucida grande on yosemite, still really saw that readability is worse, since again the fonts are thinner and grayer. People in Apple needs to understands that fonts are not about aesthetics when it comes to readability or productivity. But these days how many people are focusing on productivity?

May 10, 2015 11:01 AM in response to cosmotic

After your comment I checked my iMac retina in default mode "best for retina display" (2560x1440), I don't see it blurry. But no way that I can use the computer in this resolution, contrast is very low, fonts are too thin and gray, very difficult for my eye. Only Apple menu bar is looking good, and I am sure they check only that area. I don't think they are reading long websites or scientific pdf papers on their computers with Yosemite. I mainly use lower resolution (2048x1152) for iMac retinaUser uploaded file.


As a followup my previous post I am attaching a jpg showing the fonts difference in Mavericks vs Yosemite (In yosemite, thinner and grayer). I really don't see the point why people are going in the direction of thinner fonts and hardware. Only marketing wise for the company they may benefit, but for user experience it is worse to have thinner fonts (Also thin hardware (e.g. laptop) would be worse keyboard vertical travel)...

May 10, 2015 11:30 AM in response to findik

Thanks for your in-depth post findik. I am still waiting for Apple to fix the blurry, thin, light HN font bug.


It is a fact that Mavericks' font was perfectly legible. That is why when I updated to Yosemite I noticed the font bug immediately


For me and others, turning off "use LCD font smoothing when available" under System Preference > General makes the font look even lighter and blurry in the menu and drop down menu. Believe me, I have scoured the internet since upgrading and I've tried all the fixes, but none worked. Then I thought, why bother looking for a workaround, a bug is a bug and Apple needs to fix it. This bug is already on OpenRadar.


Looking at this thread, it seems to affect both retina and non-retina. I've already sent in numerous bug reports to Apple, but there has been no fix for it as of yet.


As far as I know, OS X 10.10.4 doesn't note any font fixes. When you upgrade to Yosemite, it also upgrades your iWork documents. These no longer work on Mavericks. Also, once you agree to iCloud Drive, your stuck too because your iPhone and iPad are on the new iCloud. So I have no chose but to remain on Yosemite and keep waiting for Apple to fix this font bug. I'm so disappointed.

May 10, 2015 2:57 PM in response to crystalship

Sure, thank you all, looks like we are on the same boat, and not sure we are alone or not, nothing we hear from Apple as far as updates concerned, mainly cosmetic stuff, apparently emoji characters are very important for some as of 10.10.3 concerned!


LCD smoothing should be always on.


I am happy with Mavericks on my macbook pro retina and I will be using it for a long time, very likely I am selling my imac, if yosemite is not fixed in this summer.


Nobody can make me to move my stuff to Cloud arena, this is the one-way direction Apple wants the users to move in, and there is a reason for that for their perspective. Even not letting users to have an option, I dont know how legitimate this is. Although I have not used and experienced but even hearing cries from others make me feel bad for them that some of the professionals lost their stuff and edit capabilities with the new version of Pages and other similar issues for the last 2 years have made me losing trust on Apple as far as productivity/professionals perspective. This much of wasting time on forums remind me of my personal bad experience with linux during my PhD years and if Apple continues like this definitely others will win (if they dont make mistakes), contrary to Apple definitely Microsoft, dell and lenovo listen to their users. With Retina I loved the Apple's approach but this project might have started before 2011, and we might be seeing the last productivity related project, who knows (though I am reading gossips that Apple will focus on speed and performance with the new version of OSX).

blurry font on yosemite

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