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How can I set my privacy tighter with Siri and Dictation?

OK First of all, Apple needs to stop with the restriction of what you can say in posts. They keep deleting my stuff without allowing my QUESTION to be answered.


First of all, when did this massive invasion of my privacy happen? Did it happen with the latest update to iOS 8.1? I know I did not have these pop ups until this update happened this week.


I would like to know how to use Siri and Dictation WITHOUT such a massive invasion of my privacy?
Did I ever have such privacy prior to iOS 8.1?


I went to dictate a text message to my husband today and I get a pop up telling me that ALL my information is going to be shared. There is a "learn more" link and I click that and it has this long diatribe on how

Apple takes the things I say and dictate and records them and sent to them to process my requests. My device will also send Apple other information, such as my name and nickname; the names, nicknames, and relationship with me (e.g. "my dad") of my address book contacts, song names in my collection, and HomeKit-enabled devices in my home (e.g., "living room lights") (collectively, your "User Data"). All of this data is used to help Siri and Dictation understand me better and recognize what I say. It is not linked to other data that Apple may have from my use of other Apple services...


there is a lot more but suffice it to say, it does NOT 'match' what is said about Siri and Dictationon the Apple privacy page. The phone privacy contract description has MORE things listed that are being recorded, used and stored.

iPhone 5, iOS 6.1.4

Posted on Oct 23, 2014 8:52 AM

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Nov 14, 2014 5:13 PM in response to Twitchin Kitten

Meg:


I share the OP's security concerns, but maybe not to the same degree or for the same reason. My contacts data are a key to my livelihood and I frankly don't understand why a simple dictation app should require the security threat of potentially exposing contact data.


Anyway, are there any "other speech-to-text apps" that can be used to replace Apple Dictation for email or SMS on an Apple iPhone 6 running iOS 8?


If so, which ones?


Any idea if those apps harvest the user's contact data or present other security issues?


Thanks in advance.

Nov 14, 2014 5:34 PM in response to IdrisSeabright

Meg St._Clair wrote:


bethr1030 wrote:


But I don't believe (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that the older 'voice to text' messages were stored by apple.


My understanding is that all Apple has done is clarify the policy, not change what they have been doing. The reasons, as I understand it, that they store information is that it improves the natural language processing engine over time. There are other speech-to-text apps, including Dragon Dictation, however, to the best of my knowledge, all of them do the processing remotely and store some information.

Dragon Dictation uses the same technology as Siri (Apple licenses it from Nuance, who owns Dragon). Dragon works exactly the same way; it save all of your speech to improve the accuracy of its speech-to-text.


In addition, however, Siri keeps personal information about you and your location so it can answer when you ask "how long will it take me to get home?", or "What is tomorrow's weather?"

Nov 14, 2014 5:40 PM in response to jfadams

jfadams wrote:




Any idea if those apps harvest the user's contact data or present other security issues?


When you ask Siri "call Marge" if Siri did not have your contact database how would it comply?


As has been already stated, Apple does NOT "harvest" your contact data. It records your contact and other data data to use in providing service to you. It uses it for no other purpose, as the posted note says. If you don't trust Apple and believe they are lying to you then you shouldn't own an iPhone. Perhaps you should have an Android phone, which DOES harvest your personal data and pass it to Google, where it IS used to target advertising to you and to sell to advertisers.

Nov 14, 2014 8:29 PM in response to Lawrence Finch

Lawrence:


I understand completely why Siri would need access to contact data IF I were to ask it to call, text or email someone. But my question was why the simple Dictation feature was designed to likewise require me to give Apple access to my sensitive contact data?


As already noted elsewhere, I could have sworn that the Dictation function worked on my 4S without activating Siri. Maybe I clicked past the contact data access disclosure or it was less noticeable or non-existent.


Anyway, unless there is an overlooked option to not allow the Dictation feature access to my contact data, it looks like I'll have to ditch both Dictation and Siri. As a professional, I cannot afford the risk of potentially exposing contact information for hundreds of clients simply so that I can use Dictation to fill in a text message (much less helping Apple improve its products).


It seems like it would be so easy for Apple to give users the option of allowing Siri or Dictation access to such data instead of forcing a one-size-fits-all solution on its fans.


Seems short-sighted for a cheap thrill.

Nov 15, 2014 8:13 AM in response to jfadams

jfadams wrote:


Lawrence:


I understand completely why Siri would need access to contact data IF I were to ask it to call, text or email someone. But my question was why the simple Dictation feature was designed to likewise require me to give Apple access to my sensitive contact data?


As already noted elsewhere, I could have sworn that the Dictation function worked on my 4S without activating Siri. Maybe I clicked past the contact data access disclosure or it was less noticeable or non-existent.



There is no such thing as "simple" dictation. Speech to text is very hard (I know; I worked on such systems 25 years ago, and I still follow the technology). As an example, if you have ever used Dragon Dictate on a PC, when you first get it you must "train" it by reading to it for an hour or more. The iPhone doesn't require that; instead it uses a lot of clues that it gets from data on your phone (when you include a name or address in what you dictate instead of searching a database of millions of names that it might be it starts by searching your contacts), dictionaries, and a database of millions of users saying words. For words in the dictionary it can just use a dictionary, but most names are not in a dictionary. Everything you say goes into that database, and is used to improve speech recognition in the future for you and everyone else. So I would think you would be more concerned that the contents of whatever you were dictating are preserved forever in a massive database.


Dictation on iPhones has never been processed on the phone. Siri is just a user interface to a speech recognition database; that same Internet-hosted database has always been used for dictation on iPhones. Before Apple offered dictation on the iPhone Nuance offered it, using the same database. Android phones also, except they use Google's speech recognition database instead of Nuance's. Regardless, any speech recognition on any phone has always used Internet services. (One exception; the very early dial-by-voice was done entirely on the phone - it didn't work very well, and it also required access to your contacts).


Apple has always disclosed that Siri (and dictation) saved your contacts (and calendar entries). However, until iOS 8 it was buried in the user agreement that you accepted whenever you updated your phone, probably without reading it. The only difference now is that Apple is being more open and explicit where user data are used. They also make clear that Apple only uses your personal information to provide services to you; they don't look at it or share it with anyone. If you don't believe them then you should not be using an iPhone, as there are so many other potential ways your content may be compromised if Apple chose to be unscrupulous.


Further, you shouldn't be using any smart phone. Yesterday AT&T announced that they were going to STOP tagging all of the data packets from your phone with a unique identifier so your communications could be tracked and shared with anyone who paid them for that information (mostly for targeted advertising). It probably never occurred to you that they were doing this. Ironically, Verizon responded by saying they were NOT going to stop this practice.


It was also revealed this week that several large ISPs (comcast, optimum, etc) turn off encryption when processing the email that you think is using Transport Layer Security (TLS) when originating over their network.


There are many ways your data are being siphoned without your knowledge that you are unaware of; why are you so concerned that Apple has been open about one practice that does not compromise your personal information?

Nov 15, 2014 11:16 AM in response to IdrisSeabright

As already noted elsewhere, I could have sworn that the Dictation function worked on my 4S without activating Siri. Maybe I clicked past the contact data access disclosure or it was less noticeable or non-existent.


Speech-to-text has always required that Siri be enabled.



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Hi Meg et al --


I too was under the impression that when I was using the microphone on the keyboard (just left of the space bar) did not involve Siri. As I stated in my earlier post, I was aware that using Siri involved interaction with, and data being stored on, Apple servers. But I was not aware I was activating Siri from the microphone on the keyboard.


I am attaching two pictures -- one of the microphone on the keyboard and one of Siri's microphone. (Both were taken on my sister's iPhone, and the latter was rather humorous in that I had said, "Siri, would you make a note for me." Another reason I tend to avoid Siri, but I guess it also makes the case for refining voice recognition...


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Nov 15, 2014 11:28 AM in response to bethr1030

bethr1030 wrote:


As already noted elsewhere, I could have sworn that the Dictation function worked on my 4S without activating Siri. Maybe I clicked past the contact data access disclosure or it was less noticeable or non-existent.


Speech-to-text has always required that Siri be enabled.



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Hi Meg et al --


I too was under the impression that when I was using the microphone on the keyboard (just left of the space bar) did not involve Siri. As I stated in my earlier post, I was aware that using Siri involved interaction with, and data being stored on, Apple servers. But I was not aware I was activating Siri from the microphone on the keyboard.




As I posted, Siri is just an interface to the speech recognition server in the cloud. The microphone on the keyboard is another interface to the speech recognition server. Whether you call it Siri or not it is the same technology at work. Siri has additional back end interfaces that the keyboard does not, such as weather, stocks, Wolfram Alpha and a web browser. But the technology behind all speech recognition is the same server. Most people tend to lump it all together and call it 'Siri', which is close enough.

Nov 19, 2014 12:56 PM in response to IdrisSeabright

I HAVE THE SAME ISSUE! Here is what I did:


1) SUBMIT A PRIVACY COMPLAINT!!! http://www.apple.com/privacy/contact/


2) Call The Apple Switchboard and complain!!! Ask for CLARITY ON THESE NEW TERMS AND ASK FOR CHOICE TO NOT HAVE YOUR DATA COLLECTED IN THIS WAY! ~ 408-996-1010


I will have more to say about this in another part of this thread!

How can I set my privacy tighter with Siri and Dictation?

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