Yosemite choppy exposé

Hello guys, after upgrading to Yosemite my exposé feature is now very choppy. Dock also lags here and there when reappearing from hidden state and overall system performance seems a bit affected, maybe due to my 256mb graphics card? I did a fresh install and still these issues remain with no apparent system load. Mavericks was running smoothly and i really didn't want to downgrade back to it. After browsing the web a little bit i found that this issue is not new and many other people ran into similar problems on previous OS versions.


Any ideas on what may be causing this or how to fix this would be very welcome.


Best regards to the community,

André

iMac (27-inch Late 2009), Mac OS X (10.7.4)

Posted on Oct 28, 2014 1:24 PM

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Oct 28, 2014 1:43 PM in response to substance44

Activity Monitor - Mavericks also Yosemite


Activity Monitor in Mavericks has significant changes


Performance Guide


Why is my computer slow


Why your Mac runs slower than it should


Slow Mac After Mavericks


Things you can do to resolve slowdowns see post by Kappy


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Oct 28, 2014 2:06 PM in response to Eric Root

Here it is. Thanks for the links, i've done pretty much everything that is mentioned in most of the links and the problem persists after a clean install with nothing else installed.



Problem description:

Yosemite choppy exposé


EtreCheck version: 2.0.6 (91)

Report generated 28 de Outubro de 2014 às 20:59:16 WET


Hardware Information: ℹ️

iMac (27-inch, Late 2009) (Verified)

iMac - model: iMac10,1

1 3.06 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo CPU: 2-core

6 GB RAM Upgradeable

BANK 0/DIMM0

2 GB DDR3 1067 MHz ok

BANK 1/DIMM0

2 GB DDR3 1067 MHz ok

BANK 0/DIMM1

1 GB DDR3 1067 MHz ok

BANK 1/DIMM1

1 GB DDR3 1067 MHz ok

Bluetooth: Old - Handoff/Airdrop2 not supported

Wireless: en1: 802.11 a/b/g/n


Video Information: ℹ️

ATI Radeon HD 4670 - VRAM: 256 MB

iMac 2560 x 1440


System Software: ℹ️

OS X 10.10 (14A389) - Uptime: 7:17:30


Disk Information: ℹ️

ST31000528ASQ disk0 : (1 TB)

S.M.A.R.T. Status: Verified

EFI (disk0s1) <not mounted> : 210 MB

Yoshi (disk0s2) / [Startup]: 999.35 GB (961.14 GB free)

Recovery HD (disk0s3) <not mounted> [Recovery]: 650 MB


OPTIARC DVD RW AD-5680H


USB Information: ℹ️

Apple Inc. Built-in iSight

iomega LDHD-UP3 2 TB

S.M.A.R.T. Status: Verified

EFI (disk2s1) <not mounted> : 315 MB

Space (disk2s2) /Volumes/Space : 2 TB (324.89 GB free)

Apple Internal Memory Card Reader

Apple Computer, Inc. IR Receiver

Apple Inc. BRCM2046 Hub

Apple Inc. Bluetooth USB Host Controller


Firewire Information: ℹ️

0x1F2 Vendor 0x1F2 Device 0x102800 400mbit - 400mbit max


Gatekeeper: ℹ️

Anywhere


Kernel Extensions: ℹ️

/Applications/CyberGhost 5.app

[not loaded] foo.tap (1.0) Support

[not loaded] foo.tun (1.0) Support


/Applications/DiskWarrior.app

[not loaded] com.alsoft.Preview (4.4) Support


/Applications/TechTool Pro 7.app

[not loaded] com.micromat.driver.spdKernel (1 - SDK 10.8) Support


/Applications/Transmit.app

[not loaded] com.panic.TransmitDisk.transmitdiskfs (4.0.0 - SDK 10.6) Support


/Library/Application Support/Hotspot Shield

[not loaded] com.anchorfree.tun (1.1.1 - SDK 10.8) Support


/Library/Extensions

[loaded] at.obdev.nke.LittleSnitch (4216 - SDK 10.8) Support

[loaded] com.motu.driver.FireWireAudio (1.6 64254 - SDK 10.4) Support

[not loaded] com.motu.driver.MicroBookAudio (1.6 64254 - SDK 10.4) Support

[not loaded] com.motu.driver.PCIAudio (1.6 64254 - SDK 10.4) Support

[not loaded] com.motu.driver.USBMidiKext (1.6 64254 - SDK 10.4) Support


Launch Agents: ℹ️

[running] at.obdev.LittleSnitchUIAgent.plist Support

[running] com.motu.MOTULauncher.plist Support

[loaded] com.oracle.java.Java-Updater.plist Support

[not loaded] com.teamviewer.teamviewer.plist Support

[not loaded] com.teamviewer.teamviewer_desktop.plist Support

[loaded] org.glimmerblocker.updater.plist Support


Launch Daemons: ℹ️

[running] at.obdev.littlesnitchd.plist Support

[loaded] com.adobe.fpsaud.plist Support

[loaded] com.anchorfree.ajaxserver.plist Support

[invalid?] com.lsreset.plist Support

[loaded] com.microsoft.office.licensing.helper.plist Support

[loaded] com.oracle.java.Helper-Tool.plist Support

[loaded] com.teamviewer.Helper.plist Support

[not loaded] com.teamviewer.teamviewer_service.plist Support

[loaded] com.tunabellysoftware.TGFanHelper.plist Support

[loaded] com.tunnelbear.mac.tbeard.plist Support

[running] org.glimmerblocker.proxy.plist Support


User Launch Agents: ℹ️

[loaded] com.google.keystone.agent.plist Support

[running] com.spotify.webhelper.plist Support


User Login Items: ℹ️

iTunesHelper Aplicação (/Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/MacOS/iTunesHelper.app)

Alfred Aplicação (/Applications/Alfred.app)

Caffeine Aplicação (/Applications/Caffeine.app)

ClipMenu Aplicação (/Applications/ClipMenu.app)


Internet Plug-ins: ℹ️

FlashPlayer-10.6: Version: 15.0.0.189 - SDK 10.6 Support

QuickTime Plugin: Version: 7.7.3

Flash Player: Version: 15.0.0.189 - SDK 10.6 Support

Default Browser: Version: 600 - SDK 10.10

SharePointBrowserPlugin: Version: 14.0.0 Support

Silverlight: Version: 5.1.30514.0 - SDK 10.6 Support

JavaAppletPlugin: Version: Java 8 Update 25 Check version


3rd Party Preference Panes: ℹ️

Flash Player Support

FUSE for OS X (OSXFUSE) Support

fuse-ext2 Support

GlimmerBlocker Support

Java Support

Perian Support

Tuxera NTFS Support


Time Machine: ℹ️

Time Machine not configured!


Top Processes by CPU: ℹ️

12% com.apple.WebKit.Plugin.64

8% WindowServer

2% Little Snitch Agent

1% coreaudiod

1% Little Snitch Network Monitor


Top Processes by Memory: ℹ️

174 MB Sunrise

148 MB Skype

116 MB Safari

110 MB Finder

103 MB Mail


Virtual Memory Information: ℹ️

41 MB Free RAM

2.61 GB Active RAM

2.59 GB Inactive RAM

752 MB Wired RAM

19.37 GB Page-ins

13 MB Page-outs

Oct 29, 2014 6:20 AM in response to substance44

I have some new developments on this issue. Apparently if i turn on "reduce transparency" in Accessibility it gets better. If i have one or two windows open it's pretty fluid but if i have more than 3 open windows it gets choppy again. Funny thing is if i press exposé with Safari or Mail "selected" it's choppiness ****, even with very few running open apps on screen.


Any ideas?

Oct 30, 2014 6:47 AM in response to substance44

Hey there.

I experience this choppy animations with exposé since I updated to Lion (2010 core i7 iMac with 16GByte RAM).

I followed all the "solutions" out there (like running the grafics test of xBench, resetting PRAM, NVRAM, clean install, repairing file permissions...) but without much success.

With every new release of OS X I cross my fingers and hope this behaviour gets better, but it doesn't.

At first I thought it is caused by memory expensive apps like Photoshop with big files opened, but that's also not the case. Yosemite runs smooth even with Photoshop running. But as soon as Mail and/or Safari are running as well, exposé gets choppy and it really ****** me off.

Reducing the transparancy works for me, everything is smooth with this option selected. But I haven't tried with many Windows open. Will do that later on.

But still: A quadcore machine with 16GBytes of RAM and an SSD should not be slowed down in that way by a browser using some transparency effects.


I'm not giving up though and if I've got a working solution I will let you know.


Best regards

Volkward

Nov 1, 2014 3:05 AM in response to Volkward

Okay, I just found out that the choppy animations with exposé are completely gone when disconnecting my external display. Even with transparency effects ON, all animations are totally smooth when using the iMac internal display only.

My disappointment regarding this issue is growing more and more, since I am using an original Apple Cinema Display as external monitor. And therefore it should "just work". Am I right, Apple? 😟

I already read something about a buggy WindowServer process which might be the problem here, but no solution in sight. But I'm still not giving up.


Best regards

Volkward

Nov 1, 2014 7:47 AM in response to Volkward

Thanks for your reply Volkward.


On this side everything was fine until i updated to Yosemite. I just tested opening many finder windows, transmission and vlc. Everything ok, it just sometimes slips a frame with all these but it's pretty fluid. As soon as i open apps like Safari, Mail or Sunrise the choppiness frenzy starts. I'm aware of the buggy WindowServer process and been following that thread. Tried the fix suggested with no luck but bumped into a strange behavior on the way. Every time i repair disk permissions in safe mode the same permissions are repaired and everytime i go back the same permissions are still corrupt. This (image below) is what my disk utility always repairs no matter how many times i repair them. To get things a little weirder, if i follow the fix suggested in the other WindowServer related thread and reset SMC and PRAM after repairing these permissions, my computer just turns itself off somewhere half the way of the start chime. Sometimes it behaves like this even if i only repair these permissions and reboot without resetting SMC and PRAM (but mostly when i do these). After this i just turn it on again and it usually boots fine, though one time it remained turning itself off a few more times before i could boot normally.

User uploaded file


ps. my mini display port is fried, do you think this could be related and triggering the bug?

Nov 2, 2014 11:20 AM in response to substance44

Unfortunately I cannot see your attached image...

But I will check if the file permission repair behavior on my machine anyway.

It may occur that your Mac is not booting correctly after resetting the SMC and/or PRAM as noted in this thread: Guide: How to solve Yosemite memory leaks and CPU usage

So I wouldn't panic about that as long as your Mac boots normally when not resetting SMC/PRAM.


What do you mean by fried Display Port? Is it just no longer working or is the port mechanically damaged? I don't think this is related to your problems, but hardware issues and their consequences can be unpredictable...

Nov 2, 2014 12:04 PM in response to Volkward

The permissions that it repairs are installedPrinters.plist and displaypolicyd, it seems that they get corrupted every time i boot my computer. And yes i've been following that thread and the fix doesn't work for me.


My display port is fried since i had a problem with a alesis audio monitor that had a faulty power supply which wasn't very stable. I was using my iMac as secondary display to my Macbook, which had the audio monitor connected to it through an external motu soundcard. Everything suddenly turned off and it fried my motu main outs and my display port in the way. So yeah, don't know what is actually fried but it is mechanically damaged. Even so, this happened a while ago and i never had any other issues that could be related so far.

Nov 6, 2014 12:59 PM in response to substance44

Well, regarding the permission fix it's the same at my machine, at least for displaypolicyd. But I honestly don't think it's the root cause of our problem.

And I also don't think it is directly related to a second screen or your fried display port because It instantly gets a lot better when I hide the sidebars of safari and mail. In fact, if I hide all sidebars that can be hidden and reduce the transparency effects systemwide, my animations are smooth 95% of the time.

It's still frustrating though, but I think I will live with it. Maybe the upcoming 10.10.1 update will do some magic here...

Nov 7, 2014 7:46 AM in response to substance44

Yes, i hope the update fixes this though i think it won't till 10.10.2 or 3.


ds10320, in my case turning off transparency helps a little but it is definitely an issue of extreme cpu usage and memory leaks that apple should solve asap. I'm only affected by the memory leaks and there is a thread that as a possible fix for these issues, Volkward posted it here a few posts before. Try it, it might work for you.


Guide: How to solve Yosemite memory leaks and CPU usage


What's causing it seems to be a system process called WindowServer and the only way around it is the fix suggested in this thread which not always works. Many people claim they have this issue after connecting a second display, if you're using a second display try to disconnect it.


Good luck, hope it helps.

Nov 8, 2014 10:08 AM in response to substance44

@substance44


Thanks very much for the tips! Unfortunately I tried everything: clean install, turn off transparency, reset everything it could be reseted, repair everything it could be repaired etc (and I have no second display).


For now, I kill from app monitor the windowsserver thread, and I login again. For 3-4 hours it's ok, but then the lag appears again.

My problem is not memory- I have 16GB.


I wonder if is there any lag on the newest MBR13 with Intel Iris Pro. Anybody know for sure?


best!

d.

Nov 8, 2014 10:45 AM in response to ds10320

I guess there isn't much more to do then wait for an update from apple that fixes these issues. One of the problems is memory leakage and i've red reports from people who have 16g of memory and have almost all memory used up. In my case, as soon as i open apps like Safari, Mail, Sunset and a few more my available memory simply goes away for no apparent reason. I have all my 6gb of memory used pretty much all the time, with or without heavy app load.


Not sure about newer models though.


Hope this gets solved soon, it's affecting my productivity big time and i can say it's one of the worst .0 releases of OS X i've witnessed so far, at least in my apple computers.

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