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will a samsung 850 pro ssd work with yosemite?

Christopher Breen has an article today in Macworld explaining that most SSDs will not work with Yosemite. To paraphrase Mr. Breen, Apple's TRIM technology doesn't work with third party SSDs, and, while you could use Trim Enabler to make TRIM work with your drive in Mavericks, Trim Enabler modifies kext files and Yosemite will not run with modified kext files. The only workaround is to globally disable kext signing, which is not recommended for security reasons. Has anyone had any experience with this issue? I just purchased a third party SSD for my MBP. Thank you for any input.


Cheers, Peter

Posted on Nov 19, 2014 12:47 PM

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Posted on Nov 19, 2014 5:45 PM

Pram wrote:


Christopher Breen has an article today in Macworld explaining that most SSDs will not work with Yosemite.

That's not what it says. SSDs will work with Yosemite, the only thing that won't work is enabling third-party TRIM support. The SSD will boot and the SSD will work and it will be fast; having TRIM enabled is not even remotely a requirement. TRIM is just a housekeeping routine that is generally thought to be desired, but there's even debate on that.


The part of the Macworld article about not booting should only happen if you 1) enabled TRIM, 2) disabled kext signing, and 3) reset NVRAM, which re-enables kext signing and therefore blocks access to the hard drive you need to boot from. But if you didn't do 1-3 your Mac will boot into Yosemite just fine.


Some SSD brands do not require TRIM and some like OWC don't even recommend it because their SSDs have their own similar routines. I have a Samsung 840 and it works fine in Yosemite but I have not attempted to enable TRIM. I am not sure what the long term impact of that is, and I'm going to post a separate question regarding whether Disk Utility performs a trim when you Repair Disk because I read that somewhere.


In the end, the questions are: Does my SSD need TRIM, and if it does, how bad is it to run it in Yosemite without TRIM enabled? I am trying to find out the answer to the second question to know if not enabling TRIM is going to cause any more than minor problems down the road.

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Aug 6, 2015 3:24 PM in response to 2raj

2raj,

Select the apple ar the top left hand corner of your screen. This will open a window where you want to select 'About This Mac'. Next select the pushbutton 'System Report'. On the left side you should now see a column of various hardware components, select SATA/SATA Express. Now you should see NIVDIA rows and SanDisk plus your old drive at the top of the window. Select each of the NIVDIA rows, one at a time. You should see:

Link Speed: 3 Gigabit

Negotiated Speed: 3 Gigabit


If your negotiated speed is less than link speed, your old hard drive is pulling you down. If that's the case consider connecting the old drive via USB.


For me, the SSD speed was an increase in performance but without the optical drive, my SATA connection doubled in speed.

Aug 7, 2015 7:39 AM in response to ApexRon

@ApexRon Thanks!


I checked the Link Speed and Negotiated Speed and what's strange is that it's showing the Negotiated Speed for the SSD at 1.5 GB, but the old HD in the adapter/optical bay is showing at 3 GB.


Why would the old drive in the adapter/optical bay be 3 GB. I would have expected it to be at 1.5 GB as well.


Would it help to swap the drives and put the SSD in the adapter/optical bay?

Aug 7, 2015 9:12 AM in response to Pram

Pram wrote:


Christopher Breen has an article today in Macworld explaining that most SSDs will not work with Yosemite. To paraphrase Mr. Breen, Apple's TRIM technology doesn't work with third party SSDs, and, while you could use Trim Enabler to make TRIM work with your drive in Mavericks, Trim Enabler modifies kext files and Yosemite will not run with modified kext files. The only workaround is to globally disable kext signing, which is not recommended for security reasons. Has anyone had any experience with this issue? I just purchased a third party SSD for my MBP. Thank you for any input.


Cheers, Peter

You're out of date, only 10.10.1, 2 and 3 were affected by the kext signing issue. Current software (10.10.4) is not, future versions will also not be affected.


Try to post current info rather than old. (or come back and update the info)


Chris Breem is a nonce (look it up) he sells column inches, that's all.

Aug 7, 2015 10:48 AM in response to Csound1

nothing is technically wrong, the problem is a compatibility issue with

the Nvidia controller. sometimes it will negotiate a link speed of 1.5Mb

and other times 3Mb i have run Blackmagic on both occasions and

when it shows 1.5Mb i get 107/145 and when it shows 3 i get 209/263


even at 1.5Mb there is a significant speed difference compared to my

old 5400 hard drive ! it boots faster, apps open quicker, system prefs

opens much quicker.

Aug 7, 2015 10:53 AM in response to Csound1

@Csound1 Thanks! I'll run the speed check and see what it says.


What's weird is that my System is always running around 99% memory usage with only Safari and Mail running, and runs sluggish most of the time.


I have already maxed my RAM to 8GB and thought switching from HD to SSD would help. I have a 512 GB Samsung 850 SSD and it's only about 50% full, so there should be enough swap space on the drive.

Aug 7, 2015 11:01 AM in response to Sonia McConnell

Sorry, when you said "I am not really seeing any improvement in performance between booting from my old HD vs. the new SSD" I assumed that you meant it. Your old drive could manage 35 to 55 MB/s, even on a 1.5Gb/s bus the SSD can do twice that, you should still see the difference.


FYI, the link speed is not 1.5Mb, it is 1.5Gb/s, the drive speed (max) is 550MB/s, note the letter case Mb is not the same as MB.


Finally please note that this was not in reply to you so please, pass it on.

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