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SSD Blade Drive for "Classic" Mac Pro

Repost of earlier thread.


PCIe-SSD which surpass SATA III speeds can mean a lot, and for a 1,1 is the only way to boot from PCIe (whether SATA III or not).

http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/harddrives/index.html#d17feb2015


Samsung XP941 256GB PCIe 2.0 x4 M.2 SSD MZHPU256HCGL

M.2 Interface: PCIe Gen2 5Gb/s, up to 4 lanes

512MB LPDDR2 DRAM Buffer Memory

Support TRIM Command

Sequential Read: 1080MB/s, Sequential Write: 800 MB/s,

Random Read (QD=32): 120K IOPS, Random Write (QD=32): 60K IOPS

Works with (all) Mac Pro. Not compatible with the MacBook Air or Retina MacBook Pro

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-XP941-256GB-PCIe-MZHPU256HCGL/dp/B00J9V53M6/


A smaller XP941 128GB that 'only' gets 450MB/sec writes instead of the 800-900MB/sec

http://www.amazon.com/NGFF-PCI-Express-SATA-Adapter/dp/B00M8HC5JC/


Lycom DT-120 M.2 PCIe to PCIe 3.0 x4 Adapter (Support M.2 PCIe 2280, 2260, 2242)

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00MYCQP38/


http://barefeats.com/hard183.html


SATA Express meets the ( '09 ) MacPro - Bootable NGFF PCIE SSD

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1685821


http://www.engadget.com/2015/01/08/samsung-sm941-pcie-ssd/


Next generation from Samsung:

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20150106006600/en/Samsung-Electronics-Mass -Producing-Extremely-Fast-Low-powered#.VOO5NoI5CUk

Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.5), ATI 5770 16GB Samsung SSD Sonnet 6G

Posted on Feb 28, 2015 2:21 AM

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Jun 27, 2015 7:19 AM in response to LifeboatParty

Barefeets tested the Samsung 941 and reported that for the Mac Pro 3,1 (early 2008), one must use one of the 2 PCIe 2.0 x 16 slots (which are double width by the way); however, even on the 4 lane PCIe 1.0 slots, they achieved read/write speeds of 742/588 MB/s. The 512 version of the 941 achieved 1170/950 speeds. Supposedly, the 951 is much faster.


I'm anxious to upgrade, but can't get enough information to feel comfortable with a purchase. The blade market is supposed to be coming on strong in the second half of 2015 and El Capitan is alleged to enable Trim on non-Apple SSDs.


It's all too confusing for the 3,1 as to which adapter and blade to use. There are two widths of blades, different M2 interfaces, yadda, yadda. Looking and waiting for clarity with dollars in hand.

Jun 27, 2015 7:22 AM in response to mbdavids

The 3,1 has its quarks. Even GPU performance. The 1,1 has an 8x slot that while PCIe 1.0 still performs properly.


The 4,1 has 4x slots that are PCIe 2.0 and share bandwidth (only an issue doing RAID acrss each)


Use of PC cards can also play roulette with PCIe slots in any model.


Depends what you need to achieve but you cannot beat the fact that there is no controller. But if you want go with older SATA III PCIe Apricorn and 500GB EVO 850 instead.

Jul 4, 2015 9:50 AM in response to mbdavids

Clear it up a bit -


Only ONE slot, #1 is DOUBLE WIDTH. Slot #2 is not and is why most GPUs in slot #2 will also "cover" and block slot #3.


It is not confusing if you could have a list or schematic or sketch it on paper.


4x slots 3&4 are PCIe 1.1 and limit I/O to about 700MB/sec - better than SATA III - but you might want to use Apricorn Duo and standard 500GB SSD like EVO 850.


I wish I had locked this down more as a "User Tip" but that also is not and never has been my way.

Jul 5, 2015 4:31 PM in response to The hatter

Thanks for helping to clear things up. In addition to the HD, I was thinking about purchasing a GTX 970 (PC version) graphics card. This 3,1 already has an 8800 GT.


Would this be the best configuation:


Slot 1: GTX 970

Slot 2: Apricorn Velocity Duo with two 256 GB EVO 850s in Raid 0 (or an Apple or Samsung flash drive)

Slot 3: 8800 GT (Apple OEM)

Slot 4: Spare

Dec 7, 2015 4:10 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

I do not understand what the "Trim" is. I use my Mac Pro (Early 2009) for photos and videos. I want to upgrade my computer, but I am not sure what exactly to upgrade?

I want to buy 8 (4gb memory) which would add 32gb. Is this OK? I think this will be easy to install. After doing alot of reading I would like to add the 480 SSD and the Airport Extreme. But now with everyones help here I am really confused on what I need to purchase. It seems that adding a PCIe would be the best way to go, but it looks to be very difficult to install.

I appreciate all the help. I will go to all the links and read everything that was sent to me. Hopefully I will understand and be able to purchase the items I need.

Thanks for everything, it's amazing how Mac owners are so helpful.

Dec 7, 2015 4:31 PM in response to K4071

If you use an SSD, you should enable TRIM. TRIM allows the drive to get notified when blocks are deleted. Without TRIM, an SSD drive carries all the old deleted blocks along, re-organizes them, and works hard to preserve them. With TRIM it chucks them out when deleted.


The quad core Mac pro 2009 has four memory sockets. Only the 8-core has eight sockets. You can install one two three or four modules on each side. If the price of 8GB modules is close to the price of two 4GB modules, buy fewer of the 8GB modules. This will allow you to expand again, and has no downside that I can see. [16GB Modules are "Registered", and do not play nice with others.]


an SSD on a drive sled is also difficult to install, because it is a 2.5 Inch format drive. You would need an adapter-sled, but OWC sells those.


The nice thing about that Mac is that you can upgrade one part at a time.

Jan 4, 2016 12:32 AM in response to The hatter

I have a question about advising me to buy an adapter + SSD in my Mac Pro 5.1.

I use the default configuration MacPro.


My work is a UI Designer, working with large files above 50MB, with lots of layers 8000+ in the PSD file.

At the end - I put interactions in InVision.


And here the question:

Jan 4, 2016 1:22 AM in response to 0wczar

Based on this review

Verified Purchase

Works great on my Early 2008 Mac Pro. Be sure to put in 16X slot to get full speed. Not sure if it runs x4 (4 lanes) because I'm getting about 780MB/s read and 740 MB/s write speeds. I think I should get faster speeds because I have a (Apple version) of a Samsung XP941 drive module and it should get around 1100 MB/s read and 930 MB/s write using x4 (4 lanes). With my speeds I think its using only 2 lanes.


I say it will boot but yo will not get high speeds. The blader SSDs in the Mac laptops are not that fast

Jan 6, 2016 10:28 PM in response to The hatter

Hi there,


I was was wondering if anyone could help me with my pcie SSD?


Firstly I should say that I am a Pro Tools (AVID) user and have 4 separate OSX boot drives (over 2 partitioned HD drives) for testing updates etc.


My Samsung V-NAND SSD 950 pro M.2 NVM Express is plugged into a Lycom DT-120 PCIe 3.0 x4 Host Adapter for M.2 NGFF PCIe SSD and inserted in pcie slot 2 (which is a x4 lane) above the video card in slot 1

The problem is that my mac is not seeing the SSD I get these msg's in pcie (About This Mac) "There was an error while gathering PCI card information".

I get the same msg's for OSX S.L, OSX M.L & OSX Mavericks


But get the below information in OSX Yosemite but still no drive showing in disk utility;

acording to Lycom & Samsung there are no drivers for their pcie adapter or SSD


Any help would be much appreciated


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SSD Blade Drive for "Classic" Mac Pro

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