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Installing MacPro5,1 Processor Tray into MacPro4,1

Hello,


I would like to change my 2009 Mac Pro 4.1 dual CPU 8-core to a single CPU 6-core. The reason is mainly for fun and because I would like to use HDMI audio and take advantage of the AES feature of the Intel Xeon 56xx series.


I know this is not supported. However, if I upgrade the firmware of the MacPro4.1 to MacPro5,1 using the "Mac Pro 2009-2010 Firmware Tool", can I replace the complete processor tray of my MacPro4,1 with a single CPU processor tray of a MacPro5,1? As far as I know, the hardware should be identical, except CPU and firmware.


Does anyone know if this is possible? Any thoughts?


Thanks!

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.8)

Posted on Mar 12, 2015 3:06 PM

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Posted on Apr 4, 2017 11:26 AM

I tried doing this the other day "for science".


I have a 2009 Mac Pro that has had it's firmware upgraded to 5,1 and I tried to put a 2010 CPU tray (both the 2009 and 2010 are dual CPU trays) into it. It will definitely boot up and run but the fans are run at full blast the entire time. This is likely a result of the two trays having slightly different temperature sensing units from their slightly different CPU/Heatsink setups. The 2010 tray is somehow confusing the 2009 and as a result runs that fans on full blast.


So in short, it is doable but the fans will blow loud and create a small wind tunnel in your home office. I wouldn't recommend it being a long term solution.

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May 15, 2016 12:49 PM in response to voidcom

I am a little late to this party so please excuse me. I have just upgraded a Mac Pro 4.1 to 5.1 firmware and installed a single X5675 3.06 Ghz 6 core processor without a hitch. That took the Geekbench score from 7,100 to 14,900 with the help of 24Gb in 3 sticks, slots 1, 2 and 3. Used ECC 1333 RAM. The memory is running at 1066Mhz, I understand that a minimum X5680 processor is required to see the memory run at 1333Mhz.


I tried running 32Gb of memory but the Geekbench score was only 14,200, a loss of 700 points. I haven't tried x2 4Gb strips of RAM yet.


One other thing to note; in order to install the FW update you need to run a *pre* El Capitan OS. The SIP (System Integrity Protection) prevents alterations to the firmware except by meddling with terminal... Which I generally avoid if there is a viable alternative.

May 15, 2016 11:09 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Thank you Grant, useful info. I somehow doubt I will notice a 5% hit on performance, I am expecting that 99% of the time the computer will be waiting for me! 😁


I am tempted to find two 16Gb strips of 1333 ECC RAM and install them in slots 1 and 2, then move two of my 8Gb strips into slots 3 and 4.


I am assuming that will make little or no difference to my Geekbench score but may improve the real life performance under intensive use?

May 15, 2016 11:33 PM in response to Epochmaker

Epochmaker wrote:


I am tempted to find two 16Gb strips of 1333 ECC RAM and install them in slots 1 and 2, then move two of my 8Gb strips into slots 3 and 4.


According to reports you cannot mix 16GB memory with other sizes. Some reports simply flatly say it cannot be done but one particular issue is that 16GB memory is only available in 'Registered' form, whereas 4GB and 8GB can be either Registered or Unregistered and you cannot mix these types. I have not seen a means of determining what type existing 4GB or 8GB might be.


See http://blog.macsales.com/22745-mix-and-match-more-memory-faster-mac-pro-2

and https://www.macramdirect.com/macpro.html

May 16, 2016 7:12 AM in response to John Lockwood

The reason for going "registered" is that the raw chips available are not dense enough, so you need to have multiple chips with their outputs wired together on each output data bit. This produces too much Bus loading, and they will not work reliably that way. So you add the register.


When these were first introduced, there were some 8GB DIMMs that were Registered, but now only the 16GB DIMMs are that way.

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