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Devanagari & Transliteration

I'm looking for a Devanagari font that maps exactly the same it's
Transliterated counterpart. So if you type the letter 'a' or 'kha' it
will come out as 'a' or 'kha' in either Devanagari or
Transliteration. Therefore it would also correctly change over from
one to the other if you highlight text and change font. On top of
that if I learned to map out one font I would not need to learn the
other. Anyone know of any such thing?

For any one of you out there who are looking for the same thing I do know of a company that is working on this and claims to have one available within a month or so, if things are on schedule. Again for those of us who are even more particular it will map with Dvorak for a nominal fee.

Other than that if you have some general Sanskrit fonts in Devanagari or Transliteration that you can share that would be appreciated.

powerbook G4, Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Posted on Oct 19, 2006 8:38 AM

45 replies

YOGAforALL Author

Level 1

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Oct 31, 2006 8:50 AM in response to Tom Gewecke

Also I will need the Devanagari Numbers (I just found this in the palette) the comma and the period
and other symbols we use like the dash (which I got from the roman palette), the underscore which I can't find and the apostrophes.

I also need the marks for swara like uddata etc. This is an underscore for the lower one and a vertical line above the vowel for the upper one.

And other thing like: () {} [ ] ? ! ~ `

Tom Gewecke

Level 10

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Oct 31, 2006 9:28 AM in response to YOGAforALL

Also I will need the Devanagari Numbers

Do you mean these?

० १ २ ३ ४ ५ ६ ७ ८ ९

the comma and the period
and other symbols we use like the dash (which I got
from the roman palette), the underscore which I can't
find and the apostrophes.
And other thing like: () {} [ ] ? ! ~ `

If you are talking about stuff that is on the normal US keyboard, you just type it into Ukelele directly from there . The underscore is shift + hyphen: _. If you are talking about something else, let me know.

I also need the marks for swara like uddata etc. This
is an underscore for the lower one and a vertical
line above the vowel for the upper one.

These are in Character Palette 0951-54, etc: ॑ ॒ ॒ ॓ ॔ । ॥

YOGAforALL Author

Level 1

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Oct 31, 2006 1:06 PM in response to Tom Gewecke

Do you mean these?

० १ २ ३ ४ ५ ६ ७ ८ ९

Yes I did, but as it turns out I'm just getting confused. I really only need the Roman numbers for transliteration, of course. I'll just type them in now that I know. This is great!

Will this layout go into the input menu and be just like the Devanagari-Dvorak layout you sent me? That would be great. And will it work in any Roman font or just select ones?

These are in Character Palette 0951-54, etc: ॑ ॒ ॒
॓ ॔ । ॥

Did you want to send me the ॓ just like that or did something go wrong?

So I can somehow get to Character Palette 0951-54 and all those will work? How do I differenciate between the Character Palette that works for this from those that don't?

Tom Gewecke

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Oct 31, 2006 1:33 PM in response to YOGAforALL

Will this layout go into the input menu and be just
like the Devanagari-Dvorak layout you sent me?

Yes, after you put it in Home/Library/Keyboard Layouts and logout/login, you should be able to check its box in system prefs/international/input menu and then select it in the "flag" menu.

And will it work in any Roman font or
just select ones?

Not all Roman fonts have all the characters. Earlier I gave you a list of fonts that might work best.

These are in Character Palette 0951-54, etc: ॑ ॒

॒

॓ ॔ । ॥

Did you want to send me the ॓ just like that or did
something go wrong?

So I can somehow get to Character Palette 0951-54 and
all those will work? How do I differenciate between
the Character Palette that works for this from those
that don't?

You can probably just copy/paste from Safari if you want. Everything you find in Character Palette 0901 - 0970 should work fine, dragging onto Ukelele or putting into the space you get when you double-click on a key. The things to avoid are anything you find in the range E000-F8FF.

Tom Gewecke

Level 10

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Nov 1, 2006 7:20 AM in response to YOGAforALL

These are in Character Palette 0951-54, etc: ॑

॒
I don't seem to understand how to find things in the
palette that are restricted to these variants.

What is it exactly that you need to find? 0951-54 are the Devanagari stress signs. They are independent characters. When inputting, you would type these after typing the character they are applied to: अ॒ अ॑ .

Feel free to email me with more details if necessary (tom at bluesky dot org).

Rothrock

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Oct 19, 2006 3:47 PM in response to Rothrock

Sorry, I mean following the ITRANS transcription rules. Here is a page to get you started.

http://www.aczoom.com/itrans/online/

Tom Gewecke

Level 10

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Oct 19, 2006 5:43 PM in response to Rothrock

the transcription doesn't look
correct to me.

It's possible that it has problems. The author mentions some defects on this page:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rvsan/index.htm

Rothrock

Level 4

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Oct 26, 2006 8:55 AM in response to YOGAforALL

My question about this was elsewhere I've seen ṛ be the transliteration for "ri". So how can it be for both ri and ra? But as we've seen that page has a lot of problems, so let's not worry about it.

YOGAforALL Author

Level 1

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Oct 27, 2006 9:23 AM in response to Tom Gewecke

Thanks. I tried to install Ukelele_1.7.dmg but it wouldn't open. Maybe I should download it again.

YOGAforALL Author

Level 1

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Oct 27, 2006 11:24 AM in response to Tom Gewecke

Well let's see what happens. I am beginning to see the difficulty. I of course, still don't see all the difficulty you both see.

YOGAforALL Author

Level 1

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Oct 27, 2006 12:56 PM in response to Tom Gewecke

FO21 UTF8: EF 80 A1 to FOFF UTF8: EF 83 BF

YOGAforALL Author

Level 1

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Oct 30, 2006 8:25 AM in response to Tom Gewecke

I don't yet understand all this but I tried one key and it seems to work. I will do the rest tomorrow.

Tom Gewecke

Level 10

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Oct 30, 2006 8:31 AM in response to YOGAforALL

I don't yet understand all this but I tried one key
and it seems to work. I will do the rest tomorrow.

Let us know how it goes. I've made a lot of layouts and am happy to help.

Tom Gewecke

Level 10

122,252 points

Oct 31, 2006 8:21 AM in response to YOGAforALL

I think this is working. Would you please send me the
UPPER CASE?

Here is the uppercase for the accented stuff:

Ā Ī Ū Ṛ Ṝ Ḷ Ḹ Ṃ Ḥ Ṭ Ḍ Ṅ Ñ Ṇ Ś Ṣ

(the others you can just type)

YOGAforALL Author

Level 1

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Nov 1, 2006 7:06 AM in response to YOGAforALL

These are in Character Palette 0951-54, etc: ॑ ॒

I don't seem to understand how to find things in the palette that are restricted to these variants.

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