How to delete pictures permanently from Photos app in my entire mac?

Within the Photos app for OS X you cannot delete a picture permanently from your Mac.


(I have imported my existing iPhoto library when I migrated to Photos on 10.10.3)


When I delete a picture from Photos. Photos then puts the picture in a trash bin that is hidden in the File button on the task bar - "Show Recently Deleted". When you select this it then shows all of your deleted pictures you selected in Photos. If you then select to "Delete All" it asks you again are your sure and you click ok. Photos then cannot see these photos. BUT IT DID NOT DELETE THEM FROM YOUR MAC!


I then opened iPhoto, found the photos that I deleted inside the Photos app and viola they are still there, (these are not thumbnails!) these are the exact picture. HOW DO YOU VERIFY? In iPhoto if you select the picture then go to File - "Reveal in Finder" it will show that the picture you THOUGHT you deleted in Photos, is still there in the Master folder in your library!!

FYI there is no way in Photos to find the file location, very sneaky because the app is not deleting these files. This very frustrating coming from Apple who is pushing thinner profiles so SSD's with very limited storage, to give you the assumption that you are actually deleting these photos and videos when in fact you are not.


Question again is...

How to delete pictures permanently from Photos app in my entire Mac?

Does anyone have a solution other than don't use Photos.


This question was asked and solved already but I have verified that "Delete All" in the hidden trash can in Photos does in fact not delete from your disk space! Have a video on my YouTube Channel iTJMacattack that shows this issue - for proof.


Please real help and a solution!!


Thanks,

MacBook Pro, OS X Yosemite (10.10.3)

Posted on Apr 12, 2015 9:28 AM

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Apr 23, 2015 12:55 PM in response to lori_diloreto

That is correct and the app tells you so when you select from the File menu Show Recently Deleted.


It will display beneath each photo how many days remain (starting with 30) until that particular photo will be permanently deleted. However, the app also informs you that it may actually take up to 40 days. I thought that last bit was a little odd but whatever.


Choosing to immediately delete all via the button on that page does in fact permanently delete them all.


As noted above, the OP seems to have been expecting that when they delete photos in Photos that it would also delete them out of iPhoto's database as well which of course does not happen. I suggested they just backup iPhoto and its library for safekeeping and stick to using Photos after the migration. iPhoto is now obsolete anyway so might as well get it over with.

Apr 23, 2015 1:20 PM in response to Linmukai

Oh, yeah. I wasn't paying enough attention late last night. Of course not!

Looks that way. If you had multiple iPhoto Libraries, once Photos launched, you were presented with a list to choose the Library to migrate. Not selecting anything and closing the window and app was an option that you chose not to excercise. If you only had a single iPhoto Library the migration might have started automatically with a big window explaining what's happening. Clicking on the Red button in the upper-left corner of the window and/or selecting to Quit from the menu bar or the Dock works quite well to stop the process. You should try them sometimes. Anyway, even if you did not know about these options, you are not forced to use the new Photos - just ignore it.

As I mentioned above, deletion in Photos is working as designed and it does work. You can either delete photos and forget about them which gives you 30 days to retrieve any of them if you change your mind before they are automatically deleted permanently or you can use the button to immediately delete them all...


I imagine you know know this Rysz, I added that last part for the OP in case any confusion remained at this point.

Deleting (manually, or automatically after 30 days) works only for the Photos Library. The OP's specific complaint was that this did not ALSO delete the image from the iPhoto Library, which is what my comments addressed. The two libraries are entirely separate.

That's the new trash basically which self empties every 30 or so days automatically.

The Recently Deleted album is not emptied "every 30 or so days." Each deleted image has its own, separate 30-day countdown. Days left are even displayed for each image separately. This album is not emptied once a month, as you described it above.

Apr 23, 2015 3:05 PM in response to Rysz

Umm, first of all I don't see any need for you to be snarky with me. I am trying to help the OP and I have not stated anything that is incorrect. I think you need to read the preceding posts more carefully before jumping to such conclusions.


I did not state that the entire Photos recently deleted items are all deleted every 30 or so days. I specifically stated the behavior in the entire post which is partially quoted by you in the second quote above from me. I admittedly could have been even more explicit I guess but I should hope somebody is going to actually view the window where it is crystal clear anyway. I mean, they have to be there to delete anything permanently prior to its expiration or to check on what has or has not been deleted temporarily or otherwise. At that point it is entirely obvious each photo is on its own countdown. There was nothing inaccurate about anything I said. I was looking at the app to ensure my comments were correct as I wrote them in fact.


Again, reread my post and tell me where I said, "the album is emptied once a month." You will find I did not say that. I did not mention the word album at all. The new trash as I called it does in fact self-empty on a monthly timetable as nothing stays in there longer than a month or potentially up to 40 days according to Apple in a notice that was displayed at the top of that window when I first looked at it. I don't know what that 40 days is about but you'd have to ask Apple why that is. I just know the app told me so very clearly when I visited that window. I do know if that is a one time notice or if it is displayed anytime there are contents to view in the window as I have now permanently deleted its contents here. So maybe it does and maybe it doesn't but I do know it makes mention of up to 40 days the first time you see it because I saw it. I hope I got that clear enough for you.


The other humorous thing I note above is you are telling me about how I was presented with a list and I chose not to exercise an option. Then you seem to infer that I was too stupid to use a "big red button" to stop the process. Best of all you then tell me that using such buttons or quitting out works quite well and I should try these things sometimes. On top of it all, you inform me that if I was not aware of these options, I am not forced to use Photos and could ignore.


The above tells me you at that point in time did not seem to know I was not the OP and therefore that indicates you hadn't even read this short little thread entirely or at least fully comprehended what you read before making your condescending remarks to me.


Not to blow my own horn here but I wasn't born yesterday and I do have a long career behind me in software development that began with product support and wound up with me as a Senior Software Engineer who among other things oversaw the activities of a group of software test engineers. What is more, I earned my degree in computer science from a prestigious institution and graduated the program with multiple awards and a 4.0 GPA.


So you might pause to consider sometimes that you really don't know anything about people you address on the internet as a rule and it is wise to try and stay away from making assumptions about their experience and intellect, etc.


I am not angry with you but I just ask you to try to please be a little more considerate of others here. We're all answering people simply trying to be helpful. Even if someone seems to be wrong, there are nice ways to work with that.


When I said earlier that I wasn't paying enough attention, in the context of the discussion if you read it, it should have been clear I meant I missed that the OP actually thought deleting photos out of the Photos app would somehow also delete them out of the iPhotos app library which of course it does not. I think we have no argument there. I was just conceding that being late when I responded, I missed that important bit of information and then I did respond accordingly to explain the behavior of the app in deleting photos.


I guess I could worded my response more articulately than I did with greater clarity in terms of the individual timers on each deleted file until permanent deletion but I did not feel that was necessary. Since you did, all you had to do was add that little clarification nicely and good enough.


In any case, this is certainly answered now I'd say so hopefully the OP will understand what is going on with these two apps and be able to proceed accordingly to get the results they desire.


I just had a little laugh looking back here. I did actually state there is initially a 30 day countdown indicator beneath each photo. Did you read my response to lori_dileto prior to commenting which summarized the behavior? I know you quoted from it but how did you miss that part?

Apr 23, 2015 3:16 PM in response to Linmukai

Sorry, in the 3rd paragraph I meant to say I do not know if that is a one time notice, etc. I notice I made a few other minor errors in my writing as well but since there is a timer on how long you are allowed to make edits this little literary work will just have to remain flawed. Oh, well. What human being excels at proof-reading their own writing perfectly on the first pass? I don't know any. It's a good thing this isn't being graded! At least, I hope it isn't! ;-)

Apr 23, 2015 4:24 PM in response to Linmukai

My replies were to your responses to my post, not lori's, as can be seen by the quoted text. I found your opening line in your response to me "snarky." I responded in kind. I should have taken a higher ground, so I do apologize.


As you state, when the OP parses all the responses here, it's quite clear what was an erroneous assumption, and what is the best way to proceed. In the end, that's what counts.

Apr 23, 2015 4:37 PM in response to Rysz

Well, I am sorry you misunderstood me. That was intended as an enthusiastic affirmation of what you had said. I did not mean that to come off as being snarky at all. I was just agreeing with you.


Anyway, it's all good. It is very easy to misinterpret what people mean in forums. It isn't like I never do it too.


Have a nice evening. 😀

Jun 12, 2015 6:54 PM in response to iTJMacattack

To delete photos from the Photos app in OS X, do the following:


-Open the Photos application and select the photo(s) you wish to delete in the All Photos section.

-Press command+delete on your keyboard to delete the photos.

-Next, in the menu bar at the top of your screen, click File > Show Recently Deleted.

-Find and select the photo(s) that you just deleted.

-Click the "Delete # Items" button, at the top right corner of the Photos applications.

-You will see a message warning you that you are about to permanently delete the selected photos and this action cannot be undone. Click OK.


Your photo(s) will now be removed from the "Masters" folder in your "Photo Library" and deleted from you hard drive forever.

Jun 20, 2015 12:45 PM in response to sbunns

Deleted from the hard drive forever they're not - apparently. I don't know about the masters folder and so forth, but I just deleted a bunch of photos and the storage didn't change a single MB on my Mac. And, yes I did it in exactly the way you described. So something's wrong here - or badly explained by Apple.

Jun 20, 2015 9:51 PM in response to per19

Hi per19,


I'm sorry these steps don't seem to be working for you. I decided to do a test on my computer to see if deleting a picture from my Photo app works for me. And it appears it works well on my end. I've included a screenshot here for you to see what I mean. The orange circle highlights the size of my Photo Library before I deleted a 2.9 MB picture from my Photos app. The red circle highlights the size of my Photo Library after I followed the posted steps to permanently delete one picture. You'll notice the difference between the two values equals the size of the picture which was permanently deleted out of my Photos app (and subsequently my hard drive), highlighted in green.


The "Masters" folder I was referring to is a hidden folder within your Photo Library where all your pictures are actually stored. The Photo Library (usually found in your Mac's Pictures folder) contains all the pictures and data that your Photos app will interpret and display on your screen when you open your Photos app. I've taken "before and after" screenshots of my Masters folder to show (in the first screenshot) where the picture resided before I deleted it, and to show (in the second screenshot) that it is no longer there after I deleted it within the Photos app.


You can also see that the Photo Library is self-organized by year, month, and day. However, I don't recommend poking around in there, and you should never delete anything from the Photo Library or you may corrupt your Photo Library and never see your photos again. Stick to making your additions, edits, and deletions using the Photos app itself. I just thought you might like to see how the the picture I deleted is physically gone from the hard drive.


User uploaded file


So, as for your storage not changing a single MB on your Mac, I'm not sure what's going on. Perhaps the pictures you deleted were only kilobytes in size and they didn't add up to a MB? The picture I deleted was originally taken with my iPhone and as you can see it is almost 3 MB. So, (as an example) if you're deleting maybe 50 pictures taken from an iPhone, you should definitely see a difference of around 145MB. When checking the size of your Photo Library, make sure to look at the long string of numbers to compare sizes, because the larger GB size may not be affected if it's only 50 pictures. I know in my case I only deleted one picture, so it's not the best example, but you can see that between the red and orange highlighted images above that the long string of numbers is different, but the 29.92 GB number hasn't been impacted enough by the 2.9 MB deletion to change.


I'm sorry I'm not much more help beyond showing an example of how it should work. Maybe you could delete a few more pictures and check your (long string of) numbers again, just to be sure. Perhaps you overlooked something. Or maybe your Photos app really loves your pictures and can't part with them! 😉

Jun 21, 2015 1:27 PM in response to sbunns

Thank you for that thorough explanation. Followed it to the point (meaning I looked at the library before and after I deleted the pictures) and it worked fine. I even brought up the HD info before and after I deleted some other photos - worked there as well. So I don't know what was going on yesterday - but apparently all is well (was thinking that maybe it had something to do with me deleting photos that exists in both iPhoto library and new merged Photos library - that they only were deleted from Photos and not iPhoto - but it doesn't seem to be that way. Going to put the iPhoto library on an external hd, I think). Thank you again.

Jun 21, 2015 2:27 PM in response to per19

that they only were deleted from Photos and not iPhoto

That is correct - nothing done in either program affects the other program (in fact nothing done in either programs affects any files outside their library)


Going to put the iPhoto library on an external hd, I think)

That is fine but it will break the hard links so if you ever move it back to the internal drive it will use full disk space there


LN

Jul 18, 2015 5:59 PM in response to FoxFifth

HELP HELP HELP HELP OMG I just spent days and days trying to clean out duplicates, go through all my photos and delete the non keepers and renaming and dating pix with who's there and dates to find that I'm no closer to my goal of clean, reduced, edited, renamed savable final photos with no junk so I can organize them for gifting, making videos for family members, printing some etc.... I have thousands and I feel like I'm going in circles... I should never have downloaded the friggin Photos app since it just 'migrated' or whatever the photos I had did and now they aren't in the iPhoto place... the list shows half my photos in light ink and they are not accessible now... so I'm so confused.... CAN ANYONE TELL ME HOW TO ACCOMPLISH MY GOAL....so many many hours and days lost...... I feel so STUPID

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