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Bootcamp drivers issue (Windows 10 + encrypted ntfs disk - TrueCrypt and all other)

Hi,

I have interesting issue - after installing Windows 10 on MacBook Air (I have tried on 2 differnt ones) it is possible to create encrypted ntfs drive (for example with TrueCrypt, VeraCrypt and other similar). However after running setup of Bootcamp drivers for Windows there is an issue: all those program stop to work with NTFS drives (they still allow to work with FAT drives). The problem cannot be undone (even after uninstalling Bootcamp on Windows NTFS drives are still not accessible).

Even more amazing - when I run Windows 10 under Parallels Desktop it works fine with NTFS encrypted volumes.

The problem does not appear on Windows 7, Windows 8 and 8.1 (I have tested all of them with Bootcamp drivers installed on Windows).

Do you have any clue, what is the reason of this problem and how to make it work?

hcsradek

MacBook Air, OS X Yosemite (10.10.3), Windows 10, Windows 8.1, Windows 8

Posted on May 16, 2015 3:42 PM

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Jul 16, 2015 8:23 PM in response to Loner T

That would be troublesome. I already have a 2TB encrypted TrueCrypt volume filled with data which would be very annoying to re-initialize. In addition, I use this TrueCrypt volume to share data between OS X (which is encrypted with FileVault so I can't access it from Windows) and Windows so it's gonna be hard to find another cross-platform encryption tool.

Jul 16, 2015 10:26 PM in response to Loner T

But what software do you recommend for Windows (this is the issue - to have something Working on Windows 10)?


I have read that Windows 10 is having different drivers for drives - maybe the incompatibility between these new drivers and BootCamp drivers is the issue? When do you expect that Bootcamp will start to officially support Windows 10?


Best,

hcsradek

Jul 17, 2015 6:24 AM in response to hcsradek

hcsradek wrote:


But what software do you recommend for Windows (this is the issue - to have something Working on Windows 10)?

BitLocker will work fine as a Windows-only tool. A cross-platform tool is a completely different proposition.


I have read that Windows 10 is having different drivers for drives - maybe the incompatibility between these new drivers and BootCamp drivers is the issue?

On the *nix side, each file system has its own driver thru the vfs/vnode model, which has grown and matured over the years. Monolithic file systems do not allow such modular growth. Does TrueCrypt work on a native PC? (I may asked this already. 😟 ).


When do you expect that Bootcamp will start to officially support Windows 10?

W10 is out end of this month, my guess is that it may take a few months to get driver packages from Apple to support it. W7-W8 drivers should be supported for backward compatibility.

Jul 20, 2015 3:19 AM in response to Loner T

Hi,


We have already discussed BitLocker - this is not an option also for Windows, as it does not allow to use it on non-Enterprise Windowses...


Again - it is not problem of TrueCrypt only - this is problem of ALL encryption software I have tested (including Symantec). I don't understand what do you mean by "Native PC" - True Crypt works on all Windows platforms but may be used also on Linux / MacOSX etc.


Best,

Radek

Jul 20, 2015 7:03 AM in response to hcsradek

My suggestion is to look at https://www.grc.com/misc/truecrypt/truecrypt.htm and see what i the possibility of making it work by downloading/modifying/testing the available source code. If the underlying OSes deprecate services which may be used in older version of software, it is difficult to continue to use older software.


Another option is to test it under a Virtualization engine.

Jul 20, 2015 2:46 PM in response to Loner T

Loner, with all the respect, how many times I have to repeat, that the problem is the same for ALL encryption software when one tries to create NTFS drive? So the problem of TrueCrypt source code is not the key... The problem is with BootCamp drivers which causes all of the encryption software to stop working. So I would expect that someone from Apple would re-create the problem (it is so easy: install Windows 10, install BootCamp and try to make NTFS container with any kind of encryption software - TrueCrypt seem to be the easiest, but they can use Symentec or VeraCrypt or anything).


Best,

hcsradek

Jul 20, 2015 3:10 PM in response to hcsradek

With the same respect...

The problem cannot be undone (even after uninstalling Bootcamp on Windows NTFS drives are still not accessible).

Can you explain this statement in the OP? Does everything work without the BC drivers installed? Have you tested with individual drivers being installed one at a time to narrow down which driver is the culprit so a solution can be sought?


This may help solve the problem or at least have a logical explanation, instead of it not working at all for many users who come after us to read this discussion.

Jul 21, 2015 7:59 AM in response to Loner T

I am not sure what is unclear:

- after fresh windows installation - TrueCrypt (and other) works fine with NTFS drives

- after installing Bootcamp it stops working with NTFS drives

- after UNinstalling Bootcam it still does not work with NTFS drives

I have no idea what is being installed bu Bootcamp and why the installation process doesn't revert it...


After individual drivers being installed it works, however in this method I am not getting the full functionality of Bootcamp (for example management of brightness, the Bootcamp control panel in not installed etc.) - this suggests that this is something, what is installed besides the drivers.


Best,

hcsradek

Jul 21, 2015 8:13 AM in response to hcsradek

hcsradek wrote:


I have no idea what is being installed bu Bootcamp and why the installation process doesn't revert it...

My suggestion is to debug this a bit further.


hcsradek wrote:


After individual drivers being installed it works, however in this method I am not getting the full functionality of Bootcamp (for example management of brightness, the Bootcamp control panel in not installed etc.) - this suggests that this is something, what is installed besides the drivers.


Precisely. Please see Bootcamp.xml for the list of the entire driver set. My suspicion is the AppleHFS.sys and AppleMNT.sys are the culprits. Since you already have the capability to play around, can I suggest you remove these two and test? This will allow the entire BC driver set to be installed with a working TrueCrypt, if the two suspect drivers address the issue. This should help future users of a similar environment.


I downloaded the 7.1a source code from GRC, and will try and build it out of my own curiosity. The product is primarily for Windows. There is some very interesting material on DFS.

Jul 23, 2015 2:55 AM in response to Loner T

Hi,


You were right - although I have removed both from BootCamp.XML they were phisically installed... I have no idea why, but I have simply deleted both files from c:\Windows\System32\Drivers - now Autorun says that "file not found" but TrueCrypt works again with NTFS partitions and BootCamp installed :-).


Thanks.


Best,

hcsradek

Jul 23, 2015 6:08 AM in response to hcsradek

hcsradek wrote:


I have simply deleted both files from c:\Windows\System32\Drivers - now Autorun says that "file not found" but TrueCrypt works again with NTFS partitions and BootCamp installed :-).

Can you repair all your drivers, so you have full Apple hardware functionality, including screen brightness, sound, keyboard, etc. and then just remove these two to make sure it continues to work? The other option is remove Windows and install a new copy, remove these two and test.


I am 😀 to see it working. If I get a chance, I will debug further to check if the HFS/MNT can be made to coexist with TrueCrypt.

Jul 23, 2015 1:55 PM in response to Loner T

Hi, yes - I have full Apple functionality (I have not noticed any change after deleting that 2 files). My procedure is following:

1. Install fresh Windows 10 (TrueCrypt works with NTFS drives)

2. Install Bootcamp (modified - with deleted 2 entries from BootCamp.XML) (TrueCrypt stops working with NTFS partitions)

3. Delete 2 files from c:\Windows\System32\Drivers and reboot (TrueCrypt starts to work again with NTFS partitions)

Best,

hcsradek

Bootcamp drivers issue (Windows 10 + encrypted ntfs disk - TrueCrypt and all other)

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