How well does CS2 run on the MBP?

If you notice William... the question did not ask "How well does Photoshop run on the MBP," it asked about CS2. My comment about people giving partial experience is in fact accurate. If you are only using photoshop that is partial experience, sorry if you feel hurt by that.

I should have been more clear and said "While everyone else here has given you partial experience and hypotheticals I will give you real answers." I am quite confident other people in these forums can give a full report on CS2 in it's entirety, just no one here had.

Your response just further Illustrates my point. It is not all about Photoshop. There are 4 other applications that are part of the Creative Suite 2.

I would have to say that when someone asks how well something works, and I happen to use the entire thing in question every day as part of my job, that it has quite the value. You should research what subjective means, If I was showing a personal bias, I probably would not have given the advice that CS2 is unstable with 3 of it's apps running.

You compared a desktop to a portable notebook computer, do you really expect anyone to take you seriously? You are obviously jaded towards Adobe with such comments as "imagine the garbage they are going to pack into CS3," so maybe you do understand purely subjective comments after all... though I still would say your comprehension of the english language could use some work. Before you think that is audacious or egotistical, I feel the same way about myself, just passing along some tips as a few of your sentences were quite difficult to interpret.

Don't get so worked up. This is ONLY the internet.

From
my limited experience todays intel mac laptops run
old
software no better than the old g4 laptops did.

Completely accurate statement. I too would say that unless you need to, you can wait. I would not have upgraded so early had I not gotten mine for free.

Great... another psuedo-intellectual. Do you guys grow on trees or sprout from the ground?

Cripes.

"You compared a desktop to a portable notebook computer, do you really expect anyone to take you seriously?"

Desktop

AMD64 3000+ 1.8 GHZ
120 GB 7200rpm HD
Asus K8N
1 GB of RAM
64 MB dedicated video

Laptop

CoreDuo 2X1.83 GHZ (Dual Core)
80 GB 5400rpm HD
Intel 945PM
1.5 GB of RAM
128 MB of dedicated video

Hhmmm, comparing those two, I must be out of my mind. Buddy, you are a scourge to these forums because most people will actually buy your magic beans. Keep talking, you might reach China soon. I am going to not bother taking the time to reply to anything else in your post; already wasted enough time.

If you must have native speeds for CS2 on an Intel mac - then run it under BootCamp -

*Upside: Smokin fast

*Downside: You have to work in Windows

I have CS2 install on both OS's - if what i am working on boggs down in OSX - i simply fly it over to XP and work on it. I only need to do this on big compositions.

The new Core 2 Duo (C2D) MacBook Pro with 10.4.8 flies through CS2 just fine. I don't know if people here are using the older MacBook Pros with Core Duo processors (CD), but there is a major improvement in performance with these two upgrades.

(I briefly tested in store, not only CS2, but Aperture on a 17" 2.16 CD vs. a 15" 2.16 C2D, and the 15" absolutely beat the pants off the 17. Just my experience, yours may vary.)

I think you should test them. The new C2D kills my old PowerBook G4 at 1.67GHz (both with 2GB RAM), at least in all other tasks as well. So you should consider switching, as you'll also see increased performance in launching apps, Universal binary application tasks, and other productivity gains; Photoshop improvement is definitely there, at my subjective 10-20% gain in performance.

Whole system performance overall is better by serious margins.

U$.02

If by "pseudo-intellectual" you mean someone who actually tries to accurately answer someone's entire question without being jaded and bitter... Yep, that's me.

You can't reply to anything else in my post because the entire thing was completely accurate, and you have no legs to stand on. Thanks for proving my point on why you shouldn't compare desktops to notebooks, oh wait you think it's a laptop... that says a lot right there...

I think it runs fine... though I've had a lot of issues with trying to run multiple programs at the same time, like Photoshop & Illustrator, for example.

I've heard that the super-professionals who use CS2 for a living will not be satisified with its performance so far... so if that sounds like you, you may want to wait.

Can I contribute a small collection of facts to this rather subjective thread. My data is only for Photoshop CS2, not CS2 suite (therefore partial) and my MBP is a lowly 1.83 CD. Nevertheless, I hope it will help to provide a factual basis from which more informed judgements can be made.

I am a pro photographer with three Macs, two of which are Intel and which replaced older macs recently. I use the retouchartists.com speed test to measure my Photoshop performance in any new system or after system changes.

MBP CD 1.83 2 Gb RAM: (Rosetta) 5 min 30 secs
MBP ditto XP in Parallels: 16 mins (dont bother)
G5 2x2 4.5 Gb RAM: 2 mins 15 secs
Mac Pro 5 Gb RAM (Rosetta): 2 mins 8 secs
Mac Pro XP in Bootcamp: 2 mins 56 secs (2gb RAM limit throttled?)
Mac Pro XP in Parallels: 4 mins 30 secs
G4 2x867 1.75 Gb RAM: 4 mins
G4 Titanium Powerbook 550 Mhz 1 Gb RAM: 16+ mins.

The last is really for historical interest, but does indicate what someone upgrading from a five year old Powerbook might expect. I have included desktop data in this laptop thread, because it will help people judge what they may get with laptops, by comparison with their desktop experience.

All with 10.4.8 which boosted Rosetta speeds.

It all depends on your perspective. When I am editting 1000 wedding photos I want every bit of speed, and can't wait for CS3. When I am on the road or holiday, editting a handful of pictures my 1.83 CD MBP flies along.

Mike

PS The Retouchartists speed test can be downloaded from here:

http://www.retouchartists.com/pages/speedtest.html???

I used 20 history states for all tests.

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laptop |ˌlaptɒp| (also laptop computer) noun

a microcomputer that is portable and suitable for use while traveling.

--Source: Oxford Dictionary

Man, you just keep shoving that foot in there don't you? What ever happened to the Eugenics Movement?

Eugenics, oh I'd say the Nazi's killed that off pretty quick...
but what the heck, "zieg heil" right?

If you are SO intellectually superior you should know Apple refers to them as "notebooks," do a bit of research, most computer manufacturers stopped manufacturing anything they referred to as "laptops" years ago. Since we are only discussing MacBook Pro's in this thread, I don't think we need to go to Oxford to define it when the manufacturer makes it very clear that they are notebooks. Oh but I'm the pseudo-intellectual that grows on trees right?

<sarcasm>Seriously, you have really done a great job making me look foolish, I just don't even know what's appropriate to type anymore.</sarcasm>

And I apologize to anyone that had to waste their time reading this, it's all really quite childish... but sometimes we need to let loose and have fun.

Photoshop runs great... ? Are you on crack?

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Arguing with you is like arguing with a 3 year old. They have a lot of energy and lack the capacity to see they are wrong.

Have fun living in your own little world.

See, that was the issue, you thought someone outside of Canada would care about something that happened there! You probably also believe you guys held off invasion from the US as well don't you? (Just to be clear, I am joking, I love Canada, it's gorgeous... but Canadians... now they always have been suspect in my book) (Wait, am I kidding again? hmmmm)

"After the postwar period, both the public and the scientific community generally associated eugenics with Nazi abuses, which included enforced racial hygiene, human experimentation, and the extermination of undesired population groups."

Maybe you should have made some reference to the "Eugenics Movement in Canada, you know the one no one cares about." That would have been helpful. I must say though, thanks for enlightening me about how ridiculous Canada's government was in recent years... and I thought we had it bad in the States at times. (I'm sure your witty response will now attack our President, or some other generic remark about the US practicing Imperialism)

I lack no capacity to see when I am wrong, I just am not wrong. Most the things said here are opinion, most people realize that... you found it necessary to begin hurling insults, insults you have never stopped hurling, meanwhile I have just called out a few discrepancies (and it looks like pushed a few buttons along the way) and added my real world working knowledge to this post full of opinion... I think everyone can see who acts like a 3 year old. H-e-double hockey stick, I'm not even arguing with you... I'm just having fun pointing out the silly things you say.

You did get one thing right though... It's my world, you are just some extra.

I notice that noone has touched on a real issue.

Yes CS2 runs slower on MBP C2D's but I can live with the speed in PS. RAM is the key, load up on it. The real problem is the massive Rosetta/Illustrator CS2 issues that rreally prevent any commercial designer using the app in any meaningful way. I for one cannot do with it quitting unexpectedly every 2/3 mins and needing a fresh install every other day.

So called intellectuals bickering over what is effectively a ***** size competition.

If everyone in these forum's just ditched their ego's this poster's question might get answered.

Can't comment on CS2, but Photoshop CS2 runs ok on my MBP C2D 2.33 just fine, but I mainly use my Mac Pro or Quad G5 for serious Photoshop work. The Laptop - notebook - portable computer device- don't want to upset anyone (grow up)- is mainly used as a secondary/occassional photoshop unit, but mostly for direct capture from Camera when out and about on shoots