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Adding External Hard Drives of Mac G4 with Tiger

Hi Everyone!

I'm back looking again for something to keep my old Mac PowerBook G4 alive and well.

I recently came across these external backup drives made by Seagate. (To replace/expand my old "G-Drives" of 500 GB's which are "full" just 10 GB left to fill!)

Supposedly I was informed they are able to still operate using the old OSX 10.4 (Tiger) system.

But I spoke to the Seagate salesman who asked me to answer some questions first....so I'm here looking for the answers if anyone knows it.

1. The two drives are ST DS 1000100 FOT 1TB
and
ST DS 2000100 2TB

2. Can the old Tiger 10.4 OS handle drives as large as 1 TB or 2 TB? Remembering that they were not even on the drawing board when Tiger came out.


3. The new external drives use USB (Not the Firewire I was using with my older external drives) , which is USB 3.0 (backwards compatible ONLY to 2.0 I'm told.

So is that going to be any problem with my old USB 1? or 2? (I don't remember and could not find answer on "preferences" "system" info)


4. I also requested here some time ago on this site:

Found several threads I did:

Need a new external HDD that still works by Firewire under Tiger 10.4.11

rccharles answered me saying:


rccharlesMar 16, 2015 11:42 AM

Re: Need a new external HDD that still works by Firewire under Tiger 10.4.11in response to Mac_Help

rccharles Mar 16, 2015 11:42 AM

Re: Need a new external HDD that still works by Firewire under Tiger 10.4.11 in response to Mac_Help

I'm running a firewire 400 1-terabyte drive with my iMac g3 600. Works fine.

Robert


But I did not catch a name of the drive, now that I'm shopping to try to get a new HDD....can you tell me which one is/has been working so well? And if the Seagate ones you've had any experience with them? Thanks


and Running out of room on External and Internal HDDs


and How to print list of file contents of a HDD


that concerned my questions of how to either print out the contents of a HD or get them to compare each other as there is a difference between the two backup drives I'll be transferring over to the new Seagate ones.... just want to fix that up when I get into new drives as I'll also clean up the Mac HD so its able to process the program faster.

So the question here is that I'm told the USB's do not allow me to daisy chain them both into the Mac the way I can hook up two Firewire 500 GB HD's before for transfers or comparisons of content using the program I've just not had the free memory to use yet..

Is this true?

Is there a work around?

Why does Seagate avoid Firewire on their drives? (that is why I use either WD or G-Drive which do have Firewire ports).

I'm told by the salesman (again) there is a "Thunderbolt" acessory for USB to that, but of course then there is no "Thunderbolt" to Firewire 400/800? on my old Mac..

5. And anything else I might have overlooked with trying to run 1 TB or 2 TB HD's from a 60!!! GB Main HD inside the Mac G4 PowerBook from 2004.

I hope I did not re-ask anything that I already had answered in my long threads above.

Thanks for reading all my questions! Sorry I have so many of them!

Mac_Help

PowerBook, Mac OS X (10.4.11), Apple Chip not Intel chip

Posted on Jun 13, 2015 2:34 PM

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Posted on Jun 13, 2015 4:50 PM

Hi,


Your G4 can handle 2.19 TB drives if APM Partition scheme, Biggest drives made if GUID Partition scheme.


APM is needed if it will be bootable.


FW needed if it will be bootable & be twice as fast as USB2 be better than USB.


You really wouldn't want a TB drive on USB1.1, as filling it would take many months of solid writing.


FW/400 is needed,but there are FW/400 to FW/800 cables & adapters...


http://eshop.macsales.com/search/firewire+drives

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Jun 13, 2015 4:50 PM in response to Mac_Help

Hi,


Your G4 can handle 2.19 TB drives if APM Partition scheme, Biggest drives made if GUID Partition scheme.


APM is needed if it will be bootable.


FW needed if it will be bootable & be twice as fast as USB2 be better than USB.


You really wouldn't want a TB drive on USB1.1, as filling it would take many months of solid writing.


FW/400 is needed,but there are FW/400 to FW/800 cables & adapters...


http://eshop.macsales.com/search/firewire+drives

Jun 13, 2015 6:24 PM in response to BDAqua

Hi BD Aqua!


Thanks for the fast reply! And the OWC Link.... WOW.... (gazing in amazement) I didn't know that I could just choose any one of these to work with my old G4/Tiger combination???


I previously delt with Western Digital ....or G-Drive for my Mac----and both say their modern style drives do not work at all with 10.4 Tiger....

So just for the record... making certain here before I expend money in that OWC place... you're saying all drives 2.19 TB or smaller will work with my old G4 ?


And especially I would get a FW one of course as I like the speed....


Also like the faster 7200 / [10,000 (did they have any?) ] drives not the slower ones to take advantage of all that FW has to offer.


I'm not doing this type of major purchase decision every day, sorry to ask, but I assume FW 800's they show 2 ports of are both backwards compatible to FW 400 if that is what my G4 has?


I ask again as I would daisy chain the drives for that comparison program to use.... and I have had FW drives/scanners where one port is 400 one is 800 so it mattered (back then--years ago) which port I used, so making certain its 400 in case my G4 only has two 400 ports not one of each as I always assumed when not purchasing the products.


I know I rambled.... making questions for each of the above so you can answer easily:


Q1. Any drive on that site/page /link you showed me that is 2.19 or smaller will work?


Q2. I use and will be purchasing more than one drive, so just being certain before expending in this direction that they will work with my 10.4 G4 Mac.


Q3. I also like the faster FW read/write speeds, so I assume the FW 800's on this one:


http://http://eshop.macsales.com/item/NewerTech/MSQ7S20TB64/


(for example---I've not shopped whole page/site yet) has two FW 800 ports they mention as 400/800 does that mean backwards compatible to my 400 ports on G4 ? [I understand you mentioned in your reply about cables that do the 400/800 upgrade/downgrade as I have them on my "pc", I am just checking to see if the description since it included the phrase 400, does that mean its instantly compatible without the cables?]


Q4. I assume both ports may be FW 400 on the G4 unless one is 800 and one is 400.


Q5. So how does OWC 's own variety of HD (Newer Tech) compare with the big companies.. like Seagate and Western Digital.... I don't want to lose my photos as they are only kept on the HD not the computer of course---computer just copies from the camera using iPhoto 09. (I know they have warranty, I don't want a new one, just want to know their reliability of total drive failure compares favorably with the others before committing to a new company... (that is why I have more than one HD in case one fails, the other has the photos (same ones) on it as well, like RAID but done manually in the case of this old Mac. (You know I really would want Time Machine, but don't have that one in 10.4!)


Q6. I think I asked this long ago... I found something on OWC that was stackable like Newer Tech (I don't need the stacking so do not take that into account)---but reviewers mentioned that the drives did something funny to their Bluetooth devices, cutting them out and only discovered this after they purchased it.... its why I stayed away from everything on OWC.... to avoid getting the wrong drive... I have 3 Bluetooth devices operating on the Mac G4 at almost all times.... Keyboard/ physical Mouse w pad/ and of course the digital camera can send photos to iPhoto or any folder on the Mac using Bluetooth connection. If the drives put out interference EM signals that disrupt this, then I'm not able to use the drives... sorry for this difficult one to be last question... I tried to find my earlier words I thought I wrote about this but was unable to locate on my computer or here....


Thanks everyone and BD Aqua for reading it all again! Hope my listing the questions made my thoughts clearer as to what I'm asking.

Jun 14, 2015 10:50 AM in response to Mac_Help

you're saying all drives 2.19 TB or smaller will work with my old G4 ?

Assuming it has the proper ports for your G4.


A1. Yes, as above.


A2. These should work,even as far back as OS8.6!...


http://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/ME3QH7T2.0/


3. That one may be a bit iffy & would require...


http://eshop.macsales.com/item/NewerTech/1394B96036/


4. FW/400 is 6 pin oblong, FW/800 is 9 pin square...

User uploaded file

A5. I'd say the cases & chipsets used are far better than what HDD Manufacturers use, the HDD used is the question, & OWC's may have different brands. You can read the ratings there.


A6. That interference is with USB3 drives only.


PS. You can also ask on My Site...


http://x704.net/bbs/

Jun 14, 2015 7:35 PM in response to BDAqua

Hi BD Aqua!


I'm going to say great job! Great answers all of them, and mark it solved here....


But... I still have more "follow-up" questions..


Since they will take a bit of researching the proper links or take a photo and posting etc. to get my point across so watch for a new thread (I'll link the new one back here) ---you'll know its related since its the only one I'll be posting but I'll also do it for future users of Apple Community to be nice and helpful....


I'll also take you up on offer to join your web site... Really looks good....


Question 1: Can you advise what parts of what I already asked are still good to "re ask" for that web site too? Or should I just cut and paste your and my entire postings so who ever joins in on your site knows what we discussed and answered already? Up to you, its your site!


Question 2: Let me know if appropriate to reply here or wait until I post there... don't want to upset the rules of Apple Community in doing so..


Just wanted to reply sooner rather than later to let you know I read your reply (Great pics... YES I have 800 FW on both Mac ports and both ports on each of my G-Drives (poor little full 500 GB ones each).


Thanks again!

Jun 14, 2015 7:48 PM in response to BDAqua

Hi BD Aqua !

Hope they let me post after solving it...

A follow up informative piece I discovered and wanted to post anyway....

You said::

A5. I'd say the cases & chipsets used are far better than what HDD Manufacturers use, the HDD used is the question, & OWC's may have different brands. You can read the ratings there.

Here is what I found ( a bit old 2006 I see) :


Douglas Griffin Feb 23, 2006 1:51 AM

Re: External hard drive suggestions in response to Vincent Tam

Hi Vincent,

This thread seems to have died except for the fact that I'm still subscribed to it. No one ever saw my own question.

However, I did a bit of research and pestering friends after posting, and ended up going with a 600 Gig RAID, Mercury Elite-AL Pro FireWire 800/400 from Other World Computing ( http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/firewire/1394/USB/EliteAL/. )


I can't really compare to other externals on a personal experience level, but I was told to go with Seagate drive on the inside, which this has. Subsequent research and reviews seemed to bear the advice out. Speed tests and feedback on the OWC product and company are good too.

If you decide to buy from them, just be aware in that not every external of this model has Seagate drives inside. It vascilates back and forth from size to size, so read the specs for each before you purchase. This advice might also apply to their other drives as well.


Wish I could be of more knowledgable help, but, from my experience, this may be the only answer you get to this old thread.

Add no, I don't work for the company. ; - )

So its just as you stated.... inside the cases can be a "Seagate" HDD just as Douglas Griffin showed above.

Jun 16, 2015 4:19 PM in response to BDAqua

What is HGST??? So I checked...

Its Western Digital owned!

U.S. Headquarters
HGST, a Western Digital company
3403 Yerba Buena Road
San Jose, California 95135


So you like them? I started this exploration looking at Seagate Drives, which you say is your "last" choice... care to go into detail?


(I'm still typing up a longer reply including the two Seagate drives I found on "Staples " Website (so they are amazingly low priced compared to OWC's) that I was recommended to get... so if I know why you are unfavorable to them, maybe I'll skip that part and post it without that one as I certainly do not want drives that fail me for storing photos (remember I use two backup drives or more so if one fails I have the other, but why risk failure if Seagate is not as good as HGST ones?---(Spoiler alert for my new thread here)--but again I have to track down and show you what WD and others said about 10.4--- )

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