MAC Mini 10.4.8 update crashed my system

Yesterday a message popped up on my screen, said I should update to 10.4.8. I did and after rebooting the system locked up in trying to find the mouse/keyboard. I then called Mac support and was told that I would have to buy support contract before they could help.

I don't figure how they can **** up my system and then want me to pay for it. I was almost an apple convert. But now I think Linux is the only way to go. MAC ***** and I will inform anyone I know not to buy one.

The MAC mini does not even have a cd eject button, if the OS does not start you can't get the cd out. Can I load Linux on the system.. Will have to check on that.

Later,
William

Mac Mini, Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Posted on Oct 30, 2006 9:10 AM

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Nov 2, 2006 8:46 AM in response to The Seed

I think that if someone in this group had the same problem with MS they would be saying the same thing. If like the other posters have stated JD Power and PC Magazine say Apple support is great. They have said the same thing about IBM, HP, Dell, MS. Most have outsourced their support to India, Apple being one of them. How can you get good support from someone who does not speak english and reads from a script.

I went to the MAC because everyone told me I did not have to go through the hoops in keeping my system running well like someone would with Windows. Guess an OS is an OS, you have to be able to manage it. So I would say if you know how to manage a Windows system, stay with it. Same for Linux.

Learning how to configure, install, update, clean up the MAC is not as easy as stated. Maybe being installed over Linux is the problem with the new system. Not sure.

No matter. Apple is just not keeping up with Bill.
As Bill told Steve along time ago, you just don't get it.

Nov 2, 2006 9:21 AM in response to mycauldron

If like the other posters have stated JD Power and
PC Magazine say Apple support is great. They have
said the same thing about IBM, HP, Dell, MS. Most
have outsourced their support to India, Apple being
one of them. How can you get good support from
someone who does not speak english and reads from a
script.


I know plenty of people who work in call centers here in the US who are far less fluent in competent customer service than many in locations further afield. Language barriers are certainly an issue (just as they are within the US itself), but it's the policy of providing scripts rather than good training to these people that causes the problem. Even then, and wherever Apple's customer service calls are routed, they still outscore their rivals (except in the one study which has consistently shown Sony to be a little ahead - and their call centers are certainly in an Asian sub-continental region). Like it or not, your complaint is far, far from typical.

That does not, of course, make it irrelevant, though the language used in your opening post and the rather silly supposition of a giant conspiracy foisted on the general public might hint a little at why your experience of customer service may have been lacking.

I went to the MAC because everyone told me I did not
have to go through the hoops in keeping my system
running well like someone would with Windows. Guess
an OS is an OS, you have to be able to manage it. So
I would say if you know how to manage a Windows
system, stay with it. Same for Linux.


I would say the best advice is to use whatever operating system you need to use in order to get done the tasks you need to get done. There are inherent differences between all these OSes, and strengths and weaknesses of them all. The people who tell you that with Macs you don't have to jump through hoops to keep the system running well are perfectly right - myself, I never run any maintenance of any of my Macs, including the one I'm using right now which has been in almost constant 24/7 use since late 1999. It's undergone one faulty hard drive, the migration from MacOS 9 to 10.2, then upgrades and updates from there right through to 10.4.8. It's had almost every imaginable piece of software installed and used on it, now contains multiple drives, outputs to 2 displays and a TV, and has had a CPU upgrade - and it performs flawlessly. Similar flawless performance from the rest of the flock of Macs I own and have responsibility for - none of them 'maintained'.

In comparison to most (not all) Windows systems which need some regular attention, and Linux installs which tend to need somewhat more expertise to use, MacOS is simple, easy, efficient and robust. But not perfect and not suited to every task. The user should always make sure a prospective purchase does what they want it to do and meets their specific needs. It's no-one's fault but their own if they do not and end up with the wrong thing.

Learning how to configure, install, update, clean up
the MAC is not as easy as stated. Maybe being
installed over Linux is the problem with the new
system. Not sure.


Funny that. It's amazing how many people go to the store, buy a Mac, take it home, plug it in and use it without giving the thing a moment's thought. Indeed, it has consistently been one of the Mac's greatest assets that it requires very little technical skills of any kind to set one up and use it.

No matter. Apple is just not keeping up with Bill.
As Bill told Steve along time ago, you just don't get
it.


That's a great joke and I appreciate the injection of humor! Coming from a guy who was responsible for the worst operating system design error in history, (now corrected with Vista to follow the OS X model by the way) I'm sure Steve looks back on Bill's kindly advice with a great deal of warmth and satisfaction. And that's aside from the fact that on the MacOS side we've enjoyed OS features for some years that on the Windows side users are only just going to get the beginnings of in Vista. For someone who lags MS, Apple are doing pretty well it seems to me.

After all that - if you want my advice, what you should do with your mini is simple. Get the original install disk and boot to it. From Disk Utilities, do an 'erase and install' to return your mini to out-of-the-box condition, and then, without the risk of having done anything to the system to destabilize it, play with OS X for a while until you get used to it. If your system exhibits signs of failure in that time, then you know that whatever was wrong before wasn't something you had done by installing Linux (or anything else). If it behaves, then update everything, and it should be perfectly OK. If not, then post a new thread here describing the failure(s) and symptoms, and I have no doubt that we'll be happy to try and assist.

Nov 2, 2006 5:15 PM in response to mycauldron

I think that if someone in this group had the same
problem with MS they would be saying the same thing.


One: Most of us here use OS X at least 90% of the time, so we wouldn't know about any of these problems with Windows. But I'm pretty sure that they happen.

Most
have outsourced their support to India, Apple being
one of them. How can you get good support from
someone who does not speak english and reads from a
script.


I have called Applecare twice since recieving my mini, and I am pretty sure that both of the people that I spoke to knew what they were talking about and were very knowledgeable about Macs. If you really have issues with your mini, then sell it on ebay, but if you'll just give it a chance, you will come to find it beats any Windows computer you could get for the same price, and it comes with the number 1 operating system in the world!

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