I purchased an ipad air 2 for drawing but found that there are hardly any pressure sensitive stylus that work with it. Does anyone have any idea if the new apple pencil for the ipad pro will work for ipad air 2?
The level of explanation in that video of "how it works" is akin to saying "You turn the key in the ignition and the car starts." This ignores that it closes a circuit, triggers a relay, provides power to a starter and a fuel pump, activates a computer that controls fuel and air mixture while monitoring a number of other things. Obviously the level of explanation that satisfies you doesn't satisfy me, and that's ok. Some of us are more curious and like to dig deeper, even stubbornly so as MichelPM likes to state 😀
Your "trend" observation(s) are borne out with the new Magic Mouse 2 - seems to require El Cap
MichelPM wrote:
Apple made the ApplePencil to connect/pairing to Bluetooth by plugging its lightning connector into the lightning connector of the iPad Pro.
Apple didn't make the Bluetooth connnection to the iPad Pro by simply activating the Bluetooth on the IPad Pro and touch the screen on the iPad Pro.
If it loses the Bluetooth connection to the iPad Pro ( which it did twice to me) you had to plug it into the iPad Pro's lightning connector.
That I think that is why it is impossible to pair with Bluetooth on any other new iPad model.
I tried this on the iPad Air 2. I activated Bluetooth on the Air 2 and plugged the Apple pencil into the lightning port and nothing happened.
There was no Bluetooth pairing of both devices.
So, what do you think that means?
I think it means you misunderstood my comment. I said the easy test on the iPad Pro would be to turn off Bluetooth and see if the Pencil still functions. You tested on the iPad Air 2, which we already have established Apple banned linking the Pencil on. You need a working test case (iPad Pro) and to disable Bluetooth in that working test case to establish if the Pencil is indeed using Bluetooth.
MichelPM wrote:
BTW, I have been an Apple user for a very long time and I have come to know that when Apple introduces a new accessory for their products and it is specifically mentions that it only works with certain hardware devices, they MEAN it will ONLY work with those devices.
Apple did this ALL the time with certain accessories or peripherals that only worked with certain Mac computer models, but wouldn't work with others even though other model Macs clearly looked as if they could've supported that peripheral device on Macs that had similar specs, but may have had some other lesser hardware issue.
The newest instance of this? The notorius stand alone enclosed Apple USB optical SuperDrive. That drive was coded to only work with Macs that did NOT come with a built-in SuperDrive. Why??. There is absolutely no reason in the world that this device shouldn't work on older Macs that still have built-in optical drives. It's an external drive for crying out loud!!!
Apple put code into OS X for newer Mac models so that drive would work fine, but crippled that drive from functioning on older model Macs.
Apple placed an "artificial" restriction by leaving code out for that drive to work across ALL Mac models. Stupid as this is simply an external USB connected peripheral device.
But users needing a new external optical drive for their older Macs, becuase their internal optical drives died, still purchase this drive expecting it to work with no issues, only to find out that a simple external USB device thst should work, has always worked in the past, suddenly, no longer works!
Users immediiately, if not sooner, found a way to hack a preference file in OS X to allow that drive to work with ANY Mac and this hack and its procedures are well documented online.
So, that is why my insight wasn't a guess, it was entirely based on Apple's previous selling and marketing behaviours!
I have also been an Apple user for a long time, and have also supported Apple devices in an enterprise environment. I have much more experience with Apple products then I care to have, and eagerly run to the sanity of PC's outside of having an iPad Air as a drawing tablet and news reader. I've seen the "why isn't this working when it obviously should" cases, and on the flip side I've seen the "how is this working when it shouldn't" cases. Apple does both, sometimes without rhyme or reason, and it's those unreliable uncertainties that have caused many workplaces to revert back to PC where they used to tolerate Apple's software/hardware.
MichelPM wrote:
Also, still proving my previous reply...stubborn!
Me? Stubborn? You betcha. My earlier comment was regarding the rest of the people in your previous blanket statement.
see my 'disclaiming' statement " [thinking outside the box] " - by which I meant I have NO CLUE as to the ACTUAL inner workings of any of the devices - only that "it MUST be working thus" because of the real world 'possibilities' on HOW they MIGHT be used.
For example...
*I did BOTH as a Land Surveyor making 'field notes and drawings' - with the paper, of course. Though not "art", per se, I made every effort to make these neat, understandable & 'close to scale'
No, it is actually quite a bit beyond that but it clearly indicates for the Apple Pencil for IPAD PRO [my emphasis] to work completely it requires the screen that is in the iPad Pro. Now you can be optimistic that Apple will have some kind of program to install the new screen and circuitry in all previous iPads. Or you can be optimistic that Apple will release an Apple Pencil for ALL OTHER IPADS. But the one they have released is clearly designed for the iPad Pro (hence the name) and will not fully work with other models.
While you are at it you can also be optimistic that Live Photo and 3D Touch will come to earlier models of the iPhone, Airdrop with iOS devices will become compatible with pre 2012 built Apple computers, etc.
BobFrankly said:
"I have also been an Apple user for a long time, and have also supported Apple devices in an enterprise environment. I have much more experience with Apple products then I care to have, and eagerly run to the sanity of PC's outside of having an iPad Air as a drawing tablet and news reader. I've seen the "why isn't this working when it obviously should" cases, and on the flip side I've seen the "how is this working when it shouldn't" cases. Apple does both, sometimes without rhyme or reason, and it's those unreliable uncertainties that have caused many workplaces to revert back to PC where they used to tolerate Apple's software/hardware."
This must be why Apple is doing so poorly financially.
On the PC side of things (which includes multiple manufacturers) the same hardware upgrade situation does happen with some companies. But Microsoft is a virtual slave to backwards compatibility leading to the continues reliance on the Register in Windows and the continued security problems which apparently a lot of places prefer. I doubt any workplace has gone back to PCs due to the Apple Pencil or similar situations and Apple never got much of a foothold in the business world with the Mac anyways.
If you are really an expert on technologies and, specifically, stylus/input device technologies, maybe you should give this person some real help.
HE REALLY NEEDS IT BADLY
Maybe you can help him out with his issues and problems.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jonatherton/yufu-the-stylus-perfected-press ure-sensitive-fine
Read the comments!
I "purchased" one of these a year, ago, plus donated to his Kickstarter campaign, and I am STILL waiting for his finished stylus product!
Many others have been waiting closer to 2 years!!!!
😉
I would not call that being optimistic which carries an element of hope with it but wishful dreaming instead.
Not at all, you're thinking. 🙂 Thinking is a good practice that too many people attempt to avoid in life (to be clear, this statement is in no way directed at anyone in this conversation). Critical Thinking even more so.
If you're interested, there's a brief description of how the Wacom digitizers have (possibly still do) captured tilt input. I don't claim to underlying aspects here, but the solution here indicates that the tilt is captured by a sensor grid under the surface (likely in the display, under the LCD screen on the iPad Pro). I would not be the least bit surprised if Apple has mimicked or licensed the same approach.
deggie wrote:
This must be why Apple is doing so poorly financially.
I never said that Apple was doing poorly financially. Now you're trying to put words in my mouth. Their previous successes with the general consumer are well advertised, but it's also noted that their sales are lagging as of late.
deggie wrote:
On the PC side of things (which includes multiple manufacturers) the same hardware upgrade situation does happen with some companies. But Microsoft is a virtual slave to backwards compatibility leading to the continues reliance on the Register in Windows and the continued security problems which apparently a lot of places prefer. I doubt any workplace has gone back to PCs due to the Apple Pencil or similar situations and Apple never got much of a foothold in the business world with the Mac anyways.
You seem to be confusing backwards compatibility with security issues.
"Backwards compatibility" is a capability of newer and updated software/operating systems that allows older hardware and software to run.
"Continued security problems" are what organizations experience when they refuse to upgrade their software/operating systems.
Microsoft is not alone in having to release security patches, Apple products are in the same boat. There is malware and exploits out there that Apple has had to release updates for. You'll notice how long it has been since Apple has ran an "I'm a Mac. And I'm a PC" advert? It's because they're no longer true.
And you can doubt all you want about workplaces switching, I work at one, and I know couple others who have been through that transition as well.
MichelPM wrote:
If you are really an expert on technologies and, specifically, stylus/input device technologies, maybe you should give this person some real help.
HE REALLY NEEDS IT BADLY
Maybe you can help him out with his issues and problems.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jonatherton/yufu-the-stylus-perfected-press ure-sensitive-fine
Read the comments!
I "purchased" one of these a year, ago, plus donated to his Kickstarter campaign, and I am STILL waiting for his finished stylus product!
Many others have been waiting closer to 2 years!!!!
😉
I'm not at all an expert in Stylus tech, I'm just mildly knowledgeable because I've followed the tech for so long. Also, I cannot read most of the comments on that page as they're listed as "backer only", and I'm not likely to support a project that is already so far behind schedule 😊
BobFrankly wrote:
, but it's also noted that their sales are lagging as of late.
Tablet sales in general have tanked - http://www.businessinsider.com/tablet-sales-down-in-addition-to-ipad-2015-10
and some brands and makes by far more than the iPad. It's a general trend across the entire tablet market.
I'm quite familiar with backwards compatibility and security problems. As Windows 10 still uses the Register it will continue to have security issues and will keep the antispyware/antivirus/antimalware industry busy.
Yes, Apple has had security updates when potential breaches were discovered but there is currently no viruses/malware/spyware in the wild for Apple. If you are saying there are the same number for Windows that is just laughable and takes you from beyond optimistic to living in some alternative universe. Or you are one of that say if Apple has one piece of malware and Windows has 100,000 then that is equivalent.
The I'm a Mac campaign had run its course it had nothing to do with security. Everything in them is still pretty much true.
So where do you work that there was an enterprise installation of Macs and they switched to a PC network? What type of business? Can you name more than 5 that have done this? And you did see the recent financial report from Apple where they exceeded their sales estimates? Or did that slip completely by you?
You have now gone far afield from the Apple Pencil for iPad Pro. Fact is currently that device only works with the iPad Pro as the name states. You can send feedback to Apple asking for a new one to be developed for other iPads. Or you can see what happens in the future with new models of the iPad.
deggie wrote:
I'm quite familiar with backwards compatibility and security problems. As Windows 10 still uses the Register it will continue to have security issues and will keep the antispyware/antivirus/antimalware industry busy.
It's curious that you're focused on the Windows Registry as a security problem. The registry is not a security hole, the registry is something that is attacked AFTER a security hole is penetrated. The Windows Registry is akin to the XML plists that Apple uses, not a security hole, but a target AFTER penetration is successful.
deggie wrote:
Yes, Apple has had security updates when potential breaches were discovered but there is currently no viruses/malware/spyware in the wild for Apple. If you are saying there are the same number for Windows that is just laughable and takes you from beyond optimistic to living in some alternative universe. Or you are one of that say if Apple has one piece of malware and Windows has 100,000 then that is equivalent.
And how many do you think are in the wild for the current release of Windows 10? If you think that number even comes close to 100,000, then you're still confusing things. The biggest vulnerabilities as of late have come from software installed on BOTH operating systems, namely Java and Flash. Trying to put Apple on a security pedestal while pushing down Windows had it's day, but that was nearly a decade ago. Things have changed.
deggie wrote:
The I'm a Mac campaign had run its course it had nothing to do with security. Everything in them is still pretty much true.
So where do you work that there was an enterprise installation of Macs and they switched to a PC network? What type of business? Can you name more than 5 that have done this? And you did see the recent financial report from Apple where they exceeded their sales estimates? Or did that slip completely by you?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/10/27/apple-earnings-revenue-up-q4/74535 100/
Quoted from article: "The narrative of any quarter for Apple starts and ends with iPhone sales. It accounts for nearly two-thirds of Apple’s revenue and an even larger portion of its profits."..."Apple’s fourth-quarter results — traditionally, its second-weakest of the calendar year — included iPhone 6S and 6S Plus shipments in China in September. Last year, Apple waited until December to make the iPhone 5S and 5C available in China."
So you're arguing that I must be wrong about computers because Apple sold a ton of phones in China after releasing them earlier this year? Again, I don't take the simple explanation, I like to look deeper. Also I work in education, which has historically been an Apple stronghold.
deggie wrote:
You have now gone far afield from the Apple Pencil for iPad Pro. Fact is currently that device only works with the iPad Pro as the name states. You can send feedback to Apple asking for a new one to be developed for other iPads. Or you can see what happens in the future with new models of the iPad.
I followed you through a path you didn't expect me to be knowledgeable on, and upon finding me knowledgeable, you want me to take the blame for us ending up here. That's not happening. 🙂
I can agree that the Pencil currently only works with the iPad Pro though.
The Registry is itself a security risk and a stumbling block to improving Windows along with several other legacy designs. It will not take long for newer forms of legacy spyware/viruses/malware to appear.
It really doesn't matter when they started or ended the sales, they still increased their sales when you said they lagged. Then you went and looked for an additional story. But their sales still increased whatever that rage USAToday says.
You have now become a bore so I'm bowing out at this point. Please go find some Windows boards to play on.
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