Does iTunes 11.4 sync with iOS 9?

Hi Mark & Julie,

thanks for posting this and writing back to the Apple-feedback-page. As more and more people might do this, the more and more they MIGHT awake and getting awareness on the situation and reaction of its users. But i ´m not really sure about this yet.

As already said before i am an Apple-user of "the almost first hour", since 1993 to be precise. This is when i bought my first Performa 5200, then followed by a PPC9500, a PPC 8500, an iMac, G3-Powerbook, two MacMinis, one PPC G5 MacPro, and then Intel Mac Pro and MacBook Pro which both run perfectly on SnowLeo 10.6.8. Our complete house is stacked with Apple products...

And to me its is more than sad what is been going on ansd happening the last years with Apple, this great company which more and more started to ignore the needs of their customers - but more and more got deeper into beeing a stockmarket-machine, only working for their stokholders, not the people they produce their products for and who buy it in the end.

I know many creatives who worked with Apple for years and already quit just because the politics and behavior of Apple has so dramatically changed from beeing a company who is passionate and deeply trying to produce things at best level that make live EASIER for the people who use it.

This is thru today. Today Apple doesnt give a d..a*.m.n about their users anymore it seems.

Otherwise they wouldnt produce such unusable, unacceptable and Updates like iOS 9.02 which kicked us all out...

And they would not shorten their product-circles more and more just to get more profit from it, but instead of supporting their good products that they already have been making.

There is nothing to chat about making profit, nothing against bringing out new products. Apple was ALWAYS the leader of the pack doing exactly this beein ahead from everyone else on the market. But not by bringing out new machines and systems all few months, BUT by simply making things that WORKED!!

This WAS the strenght of APPLE which made me use it for years and bringing many customers to buy Apple products the same.

Maybe Apple should get back in thinking to old times and find back to their old benchmarks and ideas of supporting people not of making pure profit!

I have already posted my opinion on Apple discarding the old technology and ceasing to support it. It is unfortunate. I can reflect on the past. Technology back in the 80's was changing so quickly that we bought new computers every couple of years. Had to. The software was advancing so fast that the hardware had to be upgraded to keep up. We went from a cursor to graphic user interface . Hey I remember CPM. Anyone else out there? Microsoft followed the Mac by introducing windows and literally giving the software away. We could upgrade our computers ourselves. It was easy to fill that box with new hardware , graphics cards, Ram chips, even motherboards. But with that the software was also evolving. Apple provided a proprietary system that worked seamlessly and eliminated the worry of downloading drivers, modifying the registry, etc. So Apple just worked and we paid a premium for the hardware and software.

Now Apple is still charging double for the hardware and software that will work in your system if you keep buying the newest systems. Looks like 5 years is all you can expect support for. So our mobile devices will no longer communicate seamlessly with our desktops or notebooks. In fact the iphones work better with windows. So why buy a Mac Pro, or MacBook or Imac when a windows computer running Windows 10 works better? Hey I can get a decent laptop for under $500!!! That is less than my iphone! Then again why get an iphone when an Android has so many more apps for less or free. Sure I need to get it to work seamlessly with my hardware but it seems that will be required with Apple anyway.

Presently I have my iphone working with icloud for now. For my music and books I use Wondershare TunesGo and so I can transfer music to my mobile devices. In fact TunesGo works better since it will not only transfer music but will convert at same time. So my Flac songs get automatically converted to work on the iphone. So in no rush to buy more computer stuff and can hold off a bit longer. I know that many of us have limited finances or just don;t feel a need to spend 3 or 4 thousand dollars or more for computers so when it is time to upgrade or replace hardware then maybe it is time to be more objective and have a good look at the options. For the past 25 years, from the Apple II to the Mac Pro I never considered a better option than Apple. Now times have changed.

So has anyone who has faced the problem with IOS 9 upgrade and switched to Android or Windows 10 compared experiences? In my case unless I change my Mac Pro, there is no sense getting an iphone 6s. I will stay with my iphone 5 and then decide. Any thoughts?

Hi eriedoc,

of cause i am aware of the fact that companys like Apple ARE NOT WILLING to support Hard- or Softwares that are older than 5 years. Well. This is a fact to discuss. Why?

Very easy: it is the same mistake that for example other companies e.g. Car-factories like VW or Alfa Romeo made in the past. Some examples?

Take a look at the Volkswagen Beetle - this has once been far the BEST car that they ever produced, almost undestroyable - but still sold million times all over the world. It is the product that made VW strong. When VW stopped producing it the company lost millions of dollars as they STOPPED SUPPORTING THEIR BEST PRODUCT. Ok, they produced it again in the late 90ies, but not the SAME model but some strange evoluted beetle who never sold again successful that great then the old one...

The same thing happened to Alfa Romeo when their Model "Alfa Spider" was their BEST SELLING and most adorable product. When Alfa Romeo stopped the production of the Spider they lost not only their customers but again THEIR BESTSELLER, thus loosing millions of dollars all the same. Alfa Romeo never(!) found back to its old strength on the market as they never started producing it again. In Europe they once had been the No.1 company selling Sportscars when they had the Spider. They never produced it again, even if there where many people asking for it.

A third example (for cars) is FIAT. They produced the little Fiat 500 in the early 1960ies which is a cult-machine until today. They stopped producing it for 25 years in the late 1980ies, thus loosing millions of dollars. They found back to old strength and market power when they put it back in their program starting to produce it again from the mid 2000s - getting back their best selling car ever selling it million times again!

These are three examples of how companies managed to loose (or get back) their customers by making false or right decisions.

APPLE in comparison in the past did many things right. They were producing the right stuff at the right time ... very often. Of cause the managers were also making mistakes (e.g. the "Newton") or when they cast out Steve Jobs in the early 90ies - kickin out their best head and visionaire. They were almost at the ground, almost destroyed, when Steve came back again giving new impulses late 90ies / early 2000s finding back to old stregnth by inventing the iMac and the iPhone.

But then the whole story went wrong again. Instead of keeping to their best selling products and supporting it truely to optimize it they started shorten their production cycles, throwing new machines on the market every couple months or year. This is when people slowly started to widthdraw from a great but proprietary system (explained by you earlier). I know of many people who stopped using MacOS X after Version 10.6.8 which was far their best system ever before. It is stable, reliable and working perfectly well. So WHY CHANGE A RUNNING SYSTEM?

It is ok and of course wanted to evolve products, to find new ways and to invent things. But it is A TRUE MISTAKE to throw away things that work well and not support them anymore, all the same as expalined earlier with my examples on car-factories.

I know that these things cannot be compared in a way (cars and computers), but it is also a fact that today companies generally produce more and more to make us buy new things and throw away the old ones that still are useable or completely in shape, which is absolutely not acceptable. So is with the System MacOSX 10.6.8. and computers in general.

(Not only!) Apple should understand that there are users who WANT to use their best products (systems or hardware the same) and thus keep supporting them. Instead of patronizing them and making em unable to work with their double/triple payed hard- and software. Remember the CUSTOMER normally has to be No1 in the decision of a company! This is whats got lost in the past years ... and which os going wrong (not only) with Apple.

Eriedoc's and Disappointed AppleUser's complaint is the communicable disease of MBAitis. It infects free enterprise, and especially so in the US. It is the takeover of industry from the technologists, the guys who invent products and services to maximize markets, by a handful with a strategy to maximize short term financial gain. MBAs do their work in large part by shutting down product research and product support — no more loss leaders, forget customer satisfaction. ROI on research or support has to be greater than government-manipulated market interest rates by some positive risk margin in the time it took for a bright student to finish graduate school. Apple is at the capitalization peak of all industries, but it is also at the peak of the birth-life-death cycle characteristic of all businesses and technologies. The downturn comes when an industry is making decisions for its users. It's happening in the airline industry where over-automated flight control systems can be managed by unskilled labor, pilots loose their aviator edge, then along comes some little thing not in the computer programs, and presto, another crowd of people is fed to the sharks or vaporized. Apple and the US government are flirting with a sudden and unplanned but predictable crash. A la the '80s, it will happen as quickly as the Feds let go of their end of the rubber bank, interest rates and inflation return to market values, and high-flying book values are dragged down the drain, just to mix a few metaphors.

Hey drrocket,

well at least i am happy that, even going thru all the mistery of the original post myself, i found a satisfiyng amount of posts here (including yours) that shows me that i am not the only person who thinks like this and understands certain aspects of these marketing strategies which are going on today. And, the sad it is to see my favoured company Apple go down the same paths as described above, that also i am not alone with the asessment of the situation going on, nor my critisicm.

Since some years these inacceptable things now are going on, constantly growing and it is no question that this will definately lead to a huge crash of the markets one day. Apple will be a part of it as one of the stockmarket leaders and the path they are running on at the moment is showing its not too far from it. Its just the dance on the razorblade...

If a company is acting like this (like Apple is), completely ignoring the needs of their customers in present and thus also stagnating the support, this is the only way that can come out - sooner or later. What goes up must come down...

I really do hope that there is a slight chance that managers and leaders of stockmarket industries get back to an understanding and an acceptable way of running their businesses, but i dont have too much hope the way things go on at the moment. Just look at TTIP.

What we call "shark capitalism" here in Europe maybe this is the "third world war" (a strategic and economical one), is one of the main dangers of our time, as all of our lives have become part of it and are affected by it in either one or another way. Might it be by loosing jobs and beeing unemployed or loosing money when holding stock papers - things arent really running well at all. And i REALLY wonder that man is so dumb to be cutting the brant their sitting on or butchering the cow that feeds them.

But well, this is the way it goes. The times they are a changin´.... so does Apple.

I have already posted my opinion on Apple discarding the old technology and ceasing to support it. It is unfortunate. I can reflect on the past. Technology back in the 80's was changing so quickly that we bought new computers every couple of years. Had to. The software was advancing so fast that the hardware had to be upgraded to keep up. We went from a cursor to graphic user interface . Hey I remember CPM. Anyone else out there? Microsoft followed the Mac by introducing windows and literally giving the software away. We could upgrade our computers ourselves. It was easy to fill that box with new hardware , graphics cards, Ram chips, even motherboards. But with that the software was also evolving. Apple provided a proprietary system that worked seamlessly and eliminated the worry of downloading drivers, modifying the registry, etc. So Apple just worked and we paid a premium for the hardware and software.

Now Apple is still charging double for the hardware and software that will work in your system if you keep buying the newest systems. Looks like 5 years is all you can expect support for. So our mobile devices will no longer communicate seamlessly with our desktops or notebooks. In fact the iphones work better with windows. So why buy a Mac Pro, or MacBook or Imac when a windows computer running Windows 10 works better? Hey I can get a decent laptop for under $500!!! That is less than my iphone! Then again why get an iphone when an Android has so many more apps for less or free. Sure I need to get it to work seamlessly with my hardware but it seems that will be required with Apple anyway.

Presently I have my iphone working with icloud for now. For my music and books I use Wondershare TunesGo and so I can transfer music to my mobile devices. In fact TunesGo works better since it will not only transfer music but will convert at same time. So my Flac songs get automatically converted to work on the iphone. So in no rush to buy more computer stuff and can hold off a bit longer. I know that many of us have limited finances or just don;t feel a need to spend 3 or 4 thousand dollars or more for computers so when it is time to upgrade or replace hardware then maybe it is time to be more objective and have a good look at the options. For the past 25 years, from the Apple II to the Mac Pro I never considered a better option than Apple. Now times have changed.

So has anyone who has faced the problem with IOS 9 upgrade and switched to Android or Windows 10 compared experiences? In my case unless I change my Mac Pro, there is no sense getting an iphone 6s. I will stay with my iphone 5 and then decide. Any thoughts?

I stopped at the apple sotre today to discuss the matter with a tech support person. Well I was told that they could upgrade my OSX which is 10.6.8 to OSX 10.8 which would fix my problem. I don't get it?????

Does a MacPro 2008 model fit the minimum requirements for an upgrade?

No it doesnt. Just forget about it.

The latest OS you could use will be 10.7.5 and this will not allow you to installe the latest iTunes 12.3 which would be nessesary to sync your phones again.

So it was just a lot of talking rubbish they told you at AStore ...😢

Hey everyone! I became familiar with this issue only today when I arrived home with my brand new iPhone 6s. I (did) have iOS 9.2 on my iPhone 5 and I never had a problem with syncing with iTunes 11.4. I don't get it 😕 I backed it up today to make the restore on the new phone. And then it starts screaming it won't work, need to upgrade... yada-yada-yada. So disappointed 😢 So how could it work on iPhone 5 and not iPhone 6s when they both have iOS 9.2? Sent a feedback to Apple too.

Let us know what they say. We have a 24" iMac MA878LL/A mid-2007 running OS X 10.6.8 and iTunes 11.4 and it WILL synch to our old iPad 3 Wifi running iOS 9.2 but won't talk to our new iPad Air Wifi which updated to iOS 9.2 (via wifi) on setup out of the box. So our apps and contacts etc. are trapped on our iMac and can't be moved to the new iPad. Can't go back to iOS 8.4.1 either.

Anybody ever install El Capitan 10.11 on a mid-2007 iMac? They say it can be done.

iTunes 12.3.2 comes with El Cap and iTunes 12 will talk to iPad Air 9.2

TIA

So far I have no feedback from Apple. I had take the old win7 to use to be able to sync music and stuff to my phone. Sad..

My story is similar. All of my devices can connect to my Dell work laptop running XP that was "allowed" to update to the latest itunes. My 2008 MacBook aluminum shell running Snow Lemolars that can only update to iTunes 10, feels just plain WRONG. To bake everyone's noodle here is what currently can/can't connect in my Mackbook.

(2) iPhone 4S w/iOS 9.2.1 = NO 😠

(1) iPhone 5S w/iOS 9.2.1 = YES 🙂

(2) iPhone 6S' w/iOS 9.2.1 = NO 😠

(1) iPad Air 2 w/iOS 9.2.1 = YES 🙂

to make me even more infuriated my grind "ancient" MAC desktop can connect to his iPhone 6S w/iOS 9.2.1, no problem. This is clearly and issue that is related to software and CAN/SHOULD be fixed. If anyone is interested I say we collectively get together and.....

Snow Leopard supports iTunes 11.4

I also have this problem. I refused to update to 9.3.1 but then I lost my phone. It was replaced an it arrived with 9.3.1, but I can't connect it to my iMac/itunes because of the insane infinite loop that came out of 1 Infinite Loop. So frustrated with this product. It used to be really nice.

and??? A solution?