will iPhoto work with El Capitan ?

I don't think you know what you are talking about

Well you are flat wrong - iPhoto 9.6.1 works great on El Captain

The fact that you have a problem on your system does not have any bearing on anyone else's system - Terence is one of the very best iPhoto volunteers in the world (note the 136 thousand points vs your big fat zero)

You may or may not like Photos (most users do like it but not all) and if you do not then you need to either fix your computer and use iPhoto (which will quit working with some future upgrade to the OS) or choose something you like or learn how to use PHotos

Attacking volenteers who are very, very helpful is not one of your options

LN

Perhaps you missed my primary complaint regarding the deletion of the 5 star rating system. That problem is not specific to my system. If Terence can supply me with a fix for this problem I will certainly express my gratitude. If not, I don't appreciate the glib remarks about how wonderful Photos is or how I can simply change to another program, which wouldn't solve my problem.

It's easy to miss your "primary" complaint in that you never asked a question, just were rude "I don't think you know what you are talking about" and then editorialised.

iPhoto does not "crash constantly" on El Capitan. You have a local problem and you need to troubleshoot it. A good starting point is to make a test library and see if the problem(s) persist.

Replacing the 5 star system is trivial: Make 5 keywords - 1star, 2star, 3star etc - and use those for rating instead. You can even assign the same keyboard shortcuts. The significant advantage here is that, as they are keywords they are standards compliant, and so are exportable, unlike star ratings.

Terence, I will thank you since your suggestion does have some merit as a potential workaround but after a 10 minute test I've encountered a few limitations which perhaps you can help me overcome.

Searching for keywords seems limited to one set at a time. Ratings pulls up all the photos in the master group sorted. Is there a way to search for multiple groups simultaneously to duplicate the ratings systems?

Ratings maintains the sort criteria in memory while a keyword sort has to be invoked with every session which is cumbersome. A solution?

Ratings sort is recognized and recurrently referenced when viewing photos on an Apple TV but Apple TV does not recognize keyword sorts in my quick test. I'm unaware of how to invoke the keyword sort command when using the Apple TV so viewing of 5 star photos would not seem to be an option in for this popular way of sharing my photos. Any help?

Since Photos is the superior software I'm sure you will have solutions I could not find.

More fiddling and I've managed to overcome most of the problems mentioned above including viewing the sort order on the Apple TV which was in many ways the most important.

Perhaps I should give some background to my frustration. Recently I scheduled time with the local Apple Store geniuses to address this problem. They flatly said there was no solution to the problems I've mentioned and which you apparently solved. Instead the top geniuses spent about 3 hours simply trying to find a copy of iPhotos 9.6.1 to install and test on an external drive I brought with me running a test version of Yosemite. 9.6.1 could not be found on the APP store with my most recent and previous version installed. The installed a copy from a tech's master software drive and with much experimentation finally found the combination necessary to open my library. The experience was not confidence inspiring.

They were also at a loss to explain how I could isolate and update what might be about 1500 photos in my library which don't open properly because they apparently were created in formats native to Apple (perhaps quickdraw and others) but no longer supported. If Apple wants to move on, fine, but it would have been nice to notify consumers and perhaps offer guidelines to locate these unsupported files and suggest best software to update the photos.

This is not an isolated experience over the last years with Apple. I've spent nearly 100 hours with Apple geniuses and supposedly top online support agents on a wide variety of topics and only 1 problem was ever solved.

I apologize since my latent skepticism got the best of me and I behaved rudely. Thank you for your assistance. I think In the next few days I may attempt the migration to Photos. There are few remaining niggling complaints about the redesign like the default white background which I find blinding at times and resetting all my key photos in Faces. I'll also have to figure out iCloud and if it's possible to select what files to mirror. I don't need to back up all 3TB.

Thanks again for your help.

Searching for keywords seems limited to one set at a time. Ratings pulls up all the photos in the master group sorted. Is there a way to search for multiple groups simultaneously to duplicate the ratings systems?

I'm not sure what you mean by "set" and "master group" here. But you can certainly add criteria to a smart album, note the + button

I know nothing about Apple Tvs but would encourage to ask on that forum or the Photos forum here

Photos for Mac

Images that you can't open: try Graphic Converter

As for selectively uploading: One Library is designated the System Library in Photos. All the content of that is upload to iCloud - if you choose to use that facility. So if you want some uploaded and some not, multiple libraries is the way to go. For the rest I would suggest you ask on the Photos forum. I don't really use the app. I explored it some and found it doesn't fit my needs. Doesn't make it a bad app, just not the one for me.

I think In the next few days I may attempt the migration to Photos.

Before you do run the iPhoto First Aid, procedures #1 - Repair library permissions and #4-Rebuild Library Database, on the library before the migration. That will provide Photos with the cleanest library to migrate and will help minimize problems.

The reference to master groups and sets could refer for example to the entire album 2015 yard photos and sets to the members of that group with 5star or daisy keywords. I was curious if using search I could specify for example 5star and 4star photos to call up that subset quickly. The star system accomplished this goal automatically. Per your suggestion this could be accomplished with smart albums but this solution would quickly lead to a proliferation of albums, which considering how many albums I now have, would not be really desirable.

A new complication I've noticed is a 5star keyword sort frequently does not result in 5star keywords being listed first. Some exceptions include movies, photos Apple apparently marked with photo stream or mobile me key tags, or what I assume are photos with keywords that conflict or somehow supersede 5star. One example, I created a keyword "nostar" to indicate photos that have not yet been classified. Those photos always superseded 5star after doing a sort for the 5star keyword. I subsequently changed nostar to 0star and the sort dropped them from the top of the list. It seems that multiple keywords can create problems for keyword searches to appear in the desired order. Some of the offending keywords have been identified and removed but other offenders remain mysterious. Eventually experimentation may cure most problems but it still remains difficult to consider the removal of the star system as an improvement. It accomplished certain goals far more simply and predictably than these elaborate workaround procedures.

It's a shame you don't know more about Apple TV. In Apple's extensive ecosystem a proper evaluation of the virtues of any program now requires an understanding of how it works in that system. This is an area where my many discussions with Apple experts reveals an Achilles heel. The iTunes expert knows little about Photos apps or the Apple TV IOS and consequently there is a great deal of buck passing when it comes to problems solving when the programs are required to interact to achieve a desired result. They all say it's the other guy's problem. For example when my photos on my iMac failed to appear on the Apple TV, iTunes is responsible for sending the photos to the TV. They always start and try to concentrate on troubleshooting devices which seldom are the problem. It can take months to convince anyone that software interaction is at the root of the problem. Usually the fix requires a surreptitious update to fix problems which they never admitted exist.

Like I say, take it to the relevant forums, that's where the folks who use these apps and device actually hang out, and so you get the best tips and tricks there. If I could proffer one piece of advice: Remember the folks who answer here are all volunteers, editorialising is irritating.

My editorializing was primarily directed at Apple. It only applies to volunteers to the extent that they wish to defend Apple products as without flaws or claim that new versions are superior to older versions without sympathy for the varied ways in which consumers use the products.

My editorializing was primarily directed at Apple.

Then your choice of a place to post was extremely poor since Apple is not here

to defend Apple products as without flaws or claim that new versions are superior to older versions without sympathy for the varied ways in which consumers use the products.

And again a very poor decision - the volunteers here could care less what software you use but they do care about helping people who are having problems use the software and stupid RANTS are no appropriate here (and forbidden by the TOU) specifically because they interfere with users getting help and serve no purpose at all

If you want help using the software the way it is then ask intelligent questions - if you want to RANT then go somewhere else

and you are a really slow learner

repeating myself re your previous insulting comments here

I don't think you know what you are talking about

Well you are flat wrong - iPhoto 9.6.1 works great on El Captain

The fact that you have a problem on your system does not have any bearing on anyone else's system - Terence is one of the very best iPhoto volunteers in the world (note the 136 thousand points vs your big fat zero)

You may or may not like Photos (most users do like it but not all) and if you do not then you need to either fix your computer and use iPhoto (which will quit working with some future upgrade to the OS) or choose something you like or learn how to use PHotos

Attacking volenteers who are very, very helpful is not one of your options

LN

See what I mean about irritating?

Totally agree! I have 5 Tb of images on drives with projects in iPhotos library with years invested in organizing by 5 star levels and building albums. This was my main reason to go Mac and stay for years. To me it's not relevant that "for pro use most use pro editors". The issue is native imports from card or phone and the most basic of things one needs - like seeing the file (exif) number by default, being able to use ratings (beyond a heart vs non-heart) and using existing titles and albums. It's lovely that people prefer emojis to photographs if that's what the phone or computer or "clouds" mean to them, no disrespect. But this is a case of not only "fixing a good idea by dumbing it down to uselessness" for anyone who relied on Apple's once well-deserved reputation among graphics and photo pros, and others. It's tragic to see usefulness and functionality tossed away without care for serious COMPUTER users who have depended on Apple and iPhoto for years. The joy is gone, along with a coherent photo organizer.

@drmikenyc well said & I agree with you 100%
I am actually a media person, a photojournalist, and yes, I use iPhoto.
I do so for a number of reasons. Firstly all that you said above, it's a great photo library management tool that as a bonus has some reasonably powerful yet simple editing tools.
As images are a part of what I do not the core of what I do I need simple, efficient & effective. Not cumbersome with steep learning curves etc.

The other side of it is that all of my clients like to do their own tweaking.

I can tell you for a fact that most major magazine publishers (here in Australia at least) generally the first thing their art dept will do when they receive images from photographers is to undo most of the PhotoShop changes the snappers spent hours making.

So why waste time when it's better spent elsewhere?

Anyway... it is tragic to see what Apple has done to iPhoto.

When they cancelled iPhoto & Aperture I think the big hope was that we'd get something somewhere in the middle. An iPhoto Pro. All the elegance & simplicity with powerful options there if you needed them.

But no.

We got an app that's like an iOS app ported to the desktop. No other way to describe it.

I just find it bizarre that most other app developers are trying to find ways to make more amazing, more fully functioning apps for mobile devices, trying to take the desktop experience to mobile.
Yet Apple seems to be going exactly the opposite way. Trying to take the mobile experience to the desktop.

And really those that are virtually flaming posters with 'move on or move out' type comments... Really? I mean... really?!?

Recognise that not everyone does things your way & that some people actually rely on functionality to do real work things.
Remember that the experience of one is not the experience of all.

Apple as a platform has always been a magnet for those wanting to do things differently. Now it's succumbed to tragically linear thinking so totally opposed to where it came from. And no. This isn't growth & evolution. It's going backwards.

For what it's worth I spoke with Apple support a couple of times about Photos & how retrograde it is. They said they have had a lot of negative feedback and told me that if they get enough feedback in support of iPhoto they may well consider resurrecting it.

http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphoto.html

http://www.apple.com/feedback/photos.html

I'm always confused by people who claim to be professional shooters and use a consumer level app. That makes no sense.

I think the big hope was that we'd get something somewhere in the middle. An iPhoto Pro. All the elegance & simplicity with powerful options there if you needed them.

Sure, that's a big hope, and as well, if it offered free popcorn, that would be a hope too. However there was nothing in what Apple said that suggested this would be the case. There was quite a bit of internet chatter, mind you, but nothing in what Apple said. That said, now that extensions are avail be in Photos, it's even more powerful than before and arguably, the space between the two apps is now reachable. But, like iPhoto, it remains a consumer app. It is not geared for professional use. A bit like Pages. Great if you're doing a letter or CV, not so much if you're doing an Engineering PhD. Same with Numbers etc etc etc

I just find it bizarre that most other app developers are trying to find ways to make more amazing, more fully functioning apps for mobile devices, trying to take the desktop experience to mobile.
Yet Apple seems to be going exactly the opposite way. Trying to take the mobile experience to the desktop

It's quite obvious that you've not seriously looked at Photos.

And really those that are virtually flaming posters with 'move on or move out' type comments... Really? I mean... really?!?

Yes really.

Recognise that not everyone does things your way & that some people actually rely on functionality to do real work things.
Remember that the experience of one is not the experience of all.

When I say you should use another app, this is not about you. It's about the application. The point is really, really simple. If the app does not have the functionality you require then use a different one. If your car does not have enough seats for your family, what do you do? Moan and hope it grows more seats? Or get a new car?

Apple as a platform has always been a magnet for those wanting to do things differently. Now it's succumbed to tragically linear thinking so totally opposed to where it came from. And no. This isn't growth & evolution. It's going backwards

Yes, Apple has run many clever and successful marketing campaigns. However, over the years I've noticed a couple of things. One is that within the terms of that campaign doing it differently mostly meant not using Windows and two, again, even a cursory glance at Photos will tell you it is significantly more powerful than iPhoto in a number of areas. That is growth and evolution.

They said they have had a lot of negative feedback and told me that if they get enough feedback in support of iPhoto they may well consider resurrecting it.

Are you a gambling guy?