As a Final Cut Pro user from the get go, I'm wondering when apple will offer the native H265 capability.
Now that Adobe Premier is offering native H265 support, it's tough not to give their product a serious look.
Anyone hear anything on the H265 FCPX support front?
Mac Pro, OS X Yosemite (10.10.5)
CComponents of the standard are still not finalized. Yes, it should be supported by Apple. It isn't. There are only users here. Nothing anyone here can do about it. No point ******* to us. Use feedback or write to Tim Cook or both.
Tom,
I was merely replying to the discussion where it's (inaccurately) claimed that .h265 isn't settled out. It is/has been, unless you have information that ITU doesn't.
Obviously, Apple will do what they'll do, but whatever the reason for not implementing/supporting on the encode side has nothing to do with it "not being finalized." It has been. Apple products have been decoding it for at least two generations of iOS devices. The decoder is installed on the silicon, same as it is for every recent Apple computer (built into Intel chipsets; Apple has elected to prevent access).
Once again, I understand Apple doesn't read this forum, doesn't care what people say here, etc. I also understand that some folks have the inaccurate opinion that Apple doesn't support HEVC because "HEVC isn't settled out yet." I can't influence the former, but can influence the latter.
Have a great weekend!
"Additional 3D-HEVC extensions for 3D video were completed in early 2015. Further extensions remain in development for completion in early 2016, covering video containing rendered graphics, text, or animation as well as (or instead of) camera-captured video scenes."
AFAIK the graphics extensions are still not finalized.
"I understand Apple doesn't read this forum, doesn't care what people say here"
That's not quite true. The forum is read, but I don't know that anything said here gets processed. I do know that everything in feedback is processed, analyzed, and catalogued.
The whole thread is kind of pointless whinging in my view.
Just to add, maybe WebM would be a better direction to go for delivery.
<"Additional 3D-HEVC extensions for 3D video were completed in early 2015. Further extensions remain in development for completion in early 2016, covering video containing rendered graphics, text, or animation as well as (or instead of) camera-captured video scenes.">
And these were ratified just before NAB 2016 aka early 2016.
I apologize that I've stepped into your pool of power, Tom. Note taken.
HEVC is here to stay, no different than those that whined, moaned, and complained for years about DV over Beta, HDV over uncompressed 4:2:2, avi over Quicktime packaging, anything else over REAL Networks, Apple vs PC, Premiere vs Final Cut Studio, UHD over HD, SHV over UHD, and whatever else new comes down the pike.
Matroska has a great image, albeit inefficient for encoding, and not much support from any one (at this time). The UHD "war" is effectively over and HEVC has won. VP9 simply didn't market itself well, and like many things CE, marketing determines the future.
Regardless, message received. No disagreeing with the mod. 😉
DDidn't know about the NAB agreement.
IM not a mod. You can disagree with me all you want as I can with you.
WebM is powering YouTube and making a huge difference in quality. Like it not YT delivers more content than any other platform in the world.
There is 3rd party support for HEVC if you need it: (http://digisns.com/2015/04/import-nx1-h-265-to-fcp-x/) — that will get you to ProRes.
Agree. Disagree. Just keep it clean and civil. 😉
There are no moderators here (although foul or "colorful" language will be automatically edited out.) Tom is a very generous guy with his time. His level ten is to be respected — it represents the number of solutions and helpful replies he's given in his participation here which has been more than anybody else... ever... and still going strong.
Members of Apple's Support Community actually do read these forums although they do not generally become actively involved. They rely on users like Tom to get the job done and as a group, we usually do. New feature improvements to Apple Recommends
HEVC is here to stay, no different than those that whined, moaned, and complained for years about DV over Beta, HDV over uncompressed 4:2:2, avi over Quicktime packaging, anything else over REAL Networks, Apple vs PC, Premiere vs Final Cut Studio, UHD over HD, SHV over UHD, and whatever else new comes down the pike.
1) There are licensing issues with HEVC.
2) It takes 10 times as long to encode than H.264 (Is that with... or without hardware acceleration? I don't know. Hope for its sake it's with.)
3) You get exactly the same quality for 1/2 the footprint @ 10 times the amount of time to encode. Where's the benefit? Saves bandwidth? Why? Bandwidth is getting cheaper and faster all the time. At the rate of video consumption over the internet, h.265 would be a bottleneck from the production side.
When I first started working in video, H.264 took at least five times longer to encode than to play it in real time (hardware acceleration has brought that down to roughly 1.5 times real time). So how did it gain general acceptance? The visual quality is vastly superior - outstanding actually. Properly encoded, can't tell the difference between ProRes and H.264. (MP4 and older *delivery* codecs all looked terrible in comparison.) Worth the wait. The resultant file is 1/10th the size of ProRes 422. And the licensing became free to use for end users. At 10 times the encoding time for the same quality, I don't see a lot of people feeling like it's worth the wait.
In case you don't remember (or never knew), licensing issues pretty much killed the GIF format. It's been making a comeback lately because the patents finally expired and it doesn't have to be licensed anymore.
This is not a contest of H.265 vs H.264. H.265 has to win over the end user to gain acceptance.
So far: HEVC is not "here" at all.
Me too-- I have a 4K signage device and a 4K monitor that need content.
4K is done with H.265 only:
COME ON, APPLE.
USE FEEDBACK. THAT'S WHAT IT'S FOR.
YES, MR. ALL CAPS.
I posted more than anything in refutation of the "do you have a streaming server" red herring. Which was a total non-sequitur, as are the claims that H.265 is "not here."
H.265 is patently here and we need to provide content for it. This is my show of hands. I am proof.
After years of Adobe/Avid/FCP7/Adobe again, I recently came back to test FCPX.
I have a few days left on the trial and I have to either buy FCPX or resubscribe to Adobe Cloud for a whole year.
So I came here to find out what the future of H.265 was with Apple.
Clearly nobody has a clue.
You started with the caps.
The thread was started more than nine months ago.
Nobody who knows anything about any future plans of Apple can say anything.
Did you bother to use feedback?
Yes. Lighten up Francis.
I guess it's back to Adobe for me and I'll check back in 12 months.
I'll wade into this discussion… here are some 4k h.264 and h.265 encoding times using Adobe Media Encoder, DivX Pro Converter, Handbreak, and Apple's Compressor (no h.265 only h.264 times).
I did some 1080p h.264/h.265 encodings... everything nowadays have been geared for fast 1080p encoding so these times aren't relevant any more... 4k will show the true time tests. Handbreak is a dog when it comes to encoding to 4k h.264/h.265. But it does a good job at encoding to 4k h.264/h.265 and it’s free.
Adobe stuff is now using a rendering engine that uses Mercury Playback Engine GPU, which is suppose to be very fast. I think Apple's video products now uses this same rendering engine... not sure. I'm on a 27" mid-2011 i7 (all decked out) and I'm not getting any benefits from all of this new behind the screen stuff encoding that is coming out. Waiting for the new iMac to come out!!!
Over all Adobe Media Encoder is the clear winner. Also, you can pause the encoding and resume it later with no lose in encoding time. When pausing/resuming an encoding in Composer you lose what has been encoded and the encoding has to start over. You can change from Rec. 709 to Rec. 2020 color space when exporting and a bunch of other cool stuff.
When Youtube/Vermio allows h.265 uploads all he77 will break out. I rather upload a 400MB h.265 4k video with better quality rather than a 2 GB video any day.
Here's the video I used for my encoding testing...https://youtu.be/deJQZmmW6mo
(BTW, you can download the DivX (none Pro version) encoder for free http://www.divx.com/en/downloads . The playback app that comes with it is a lot better than VLC when playing back 4k h.265 videos. I just did a 4K h.265 10 Mbps with Media Encoder and it looks good!!!)
MMid-2011. Is that before the Intel processor had the H.264 code written on it?
It's Handbrake BTW.
Tom Wolsky wrote:
MMid-2011. Is that before the Intel processor had the H.264 code written on it?
It's Handbrake BTW.
It was the last iMac to have the dvd/player in it. The first to have a SSD. It came with SL. It was an iMac people was waiting for (I waited five months)... nobody did (Apple or third parties) anything to utilize it's capabilities. Sad very sad! The read/write to the SSD is bad...
And that's after I update the SSD from a 256 to a 1 TB (and the ram from 16 gigs to 32 gigs). With the old SSD I was luck to get 200. The graphic card is a joke. I don't think anything uses the graphic card. It was the next iMac that things took off, late 2012.
Don't get me wrong, I like this iMac. It just doesn't use anything that is new to speed things up. I use both FCPX and Premiere CC. I like Premiere for it's color correction and filters (10x better than FCPX). But, in Premiere put a filter on a video and add 1 to 2 hours for export. My work flow for both apps is... Start in FCPX do rough cuts... make text/graphics or lower thirds (bake those). Export to an XML. Open the XML in Premiere and do my CC and filters from there... export.
Apple better not dumb down the next iMac.
I've been writing HandBreak for 10 years... it's HandBreak.
HHave you tried Color Finale?
Final Cut Pro X H265 Support
