Conversations not grouped by subject in El Capitan mail

Just sent this as feedback:

"Previously to Mail 9.1, conversations that included the same subject were grouped. With the upgrade of 9.1, only conversations with "RE:" in the subject are grouped.

The previous functionality provided for grouping that NO OTHER EMAIL APPLICATION ON THE PLANET OFFERED.

This was a major benefit to Mail.

This is especially true with common emails like IoT Alerts, Notifications, and the likes.

Please re-instate the function as it was prior to Mail 9.1, or at least provide some function to configure this grouping, with option to group "all like subjects" or "only subject with specific replies", or even better "only subject with specific replies, only include addresses on original."

Read more at

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7252086?start=45&tstart=0

Regards,"

Just installed OSX update, same crappy behaviour 😟

Well I was about to, will, but too bad it does not fix this issue.

I submitted another feedback anyway.

I was having a huge expectation about this release. But unfortunately some of the good features has been removed 😠 and this is one of them.

I found a work around that has saved me.

I just updated to El Capitan and got the same problem. Going back with Time Machine, I found that I had been using the same version of mail before the update, Mail 9.2. I used Time Machine to go back to the pre El Capitan version of Mail 9.2 and found the same problem. It appears that El Capitan changed some utility outside of Mail 9.2 that causes this problem. Going back to a pre-El Capitan Mail version doesn't help. Apple needs to find out which utility it is that was broken. This is totally unacceptable. We need the option to go back to grouping messages by Subject.

One work around is to have Smart Mailboxes that automatically move the mail that has the Subject(s) in question to a new Smart Mailbox. The Smart Mailbox I created has the same name as the Subject so it is easy to spot. When I created the Smart Mailbox, I created the rule that does this. Mail moved all messages with this Subject into the Smart Mailbox. Worked great. I still see the new message in the Inbox, and can go to the Smart Mailbox to see all of them. This works for me. Now I need to create a Smart Mailbox for all of the Subjects I want grouped.

Yet again, this is a "workaround" that we should not have to do.

It was working with functionality that ONLY APPLE had...now it is not.

Mind you this is the case also on iOS 9.2 as well, so it was a fundamental mindset change in why it should work this way.

Idiots would change this.

Just give us a **** check box, slider button, or something and let us choose!!!

None of these "workarounds" help me at all. I run a decent sized discussion forum. To keep up with all that is going on, I get copies of all new posts emailed to me. Several hundred per day. It was so easy when they grouped by subject as they once did because I could ready the first post in the group and know if I needed to read all the others of that subject and reply. I have no way of knowing the title of a new subject so can't possibly setup smart mailboxes or anything else to group them. The old way worked perfectly for my needs.

I have a similar problem like dknelson99. I have 100 of mail from a forum and the subjects can me of any kind related to FamilySearch activities in Sweden. It is terribly hard to handle, when having to change to sort by subject alternated by when it arrived.

So hopefully you all go to http://www.apple.com/feedback/mail.html and let them know what we think about stupid change.

Does anyone know if AirMail offers the ability to do this?

I am going to lose my mind. 30-year Mac user, just upgraded to EC, and am pi$$ed to say the least. This is the stupidest thing that Apple has done in a while.

One more useless update, but now we have new improved notes!

It took so much time, and this error is still unresolved. Apple do something, because we can use e-mail programs competition.

Does anyone tried sierra beta? Is mail app behaviour still broken in new mac os?

Yes. On macOS Sierra Mail.app is still broken.

I put off downgrade to El Capitan until the last possible moment.

It appears that Mavericks was the last useful version of Mail.app, at least as far as conversations are concerned.

I just submitted the following feedback:

Apple says more support to business and enterprise users is important, but with each MacOS update, the Mail app makes life HARDER for those of us who get a LOT of email.

In Yosemite, the key command "open conversation and go to first unread message" went away and never came back. The message display of the "next" message, when deleting members of a conversation got TOTALLY messed up, and caused unwanted change of meaning of "next message". This bug was never fixed, although the behavior subtly changed with El Capitan.

With El Capitan, someone decided that messages lacking "Re:" in the subject line no longer are grouped in a conversation with NO way for those of us who use this EVERY DAY to get the old behavior.

Sierra left all these broken.

I guess I have to switch to Microsoft.