ios 9 automatic download making me furious

@ ShagCA, Whilst I appreciate your distinction between an APP and the IOS s/w, however, as demonstrated in post by rccharles, I don't think everyone makes the same distinction.


Aside from that, the original remark made by sevcui was...


The preamble of the Software License Agreement of the "Upgraded" iOS states:
"... IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE, DO NOT USE THE iOS DEVICE OR DOWNLOAD THE SOFTWARE UPDATE."


My comments to which are:

1) then please Apple stop pushing it to my device! Especially, when I have specifically deleted it.

2) How do I comply with T&C's and instruction not to download the SOFTWARE update (zero distinction) when the said SOFTWARE update is forcibly pushed to my device?


I acknowledge your remark..."It's been that way since over the air iOS update/upgrade is supported." All I can say, is that I never really noticed this prior to IOS 9. That said... prior to IOS 9 never was I so adamantly intent on avoiding updates! That's because by and large they used to work without causing major irritation.

What baffles me is why people are willing to just sit there and have s/w updates forcibly pushed to their device only to then delete the updates because they choose to.

Don't people question the fact that in some way they actually pay for the bandwidth they use (wifi or data) and that by forcibly pushing s/w updates to devices that Apple are costing them money?

Maybe one day they will cotton on and then start to ask questions instead of just sitting there.

@ShagCA, I too am running IOS 8 on devices and on each I have a little red spot against the settings icon which indicates there is a software download.

Your comment... " I'm still running iOS 8 and I have never been annoyed by a message to upgrade to iOS 9." is intriguing.

mariotheplumber wrote:

@ShagCA, I too am running IOS 8 on devices and on each I have a little red spot against the settings icon which indicates there is a software download.

Your comment... " I'm still running iOS 8 and I have never been annoyed by a message to upgrade to iOS 9." is intriguing.

Sorry, my explanation was not clear... I have that red icon that indicates an iOS update too. That is a result of the device accessing Apple upgrade server when I'm not behind my own router with restriction in place. It only tells me there's a new iOS version but never starts auto downloading to my device.

mariotheplumber wrote:

I fully agree with that.

mariotheplumber wrote:

What baffles me is why people are willing to just sit there and have s/w updates forcibly pushed to their device only to then delete the updates because they choose to.

Don't people question the fact that in some way they actually pay for the bandwidth they use (wifi or data) and that by forcibly pushing s/w updates to devices that Apple are costing them money?

Ummm... because most users don't know how to stop auto download, I guess. I wouldn't know it either if I didn't learn it here.

As far as I know iOS upgrade auto download only kicks in automatically over WiFi (when the device is charging and there's sufficient free space). It does not work over cellular data, at least not automatically. I have never tried manual iOS download over cellular data because I have limited data allowance.

...and if there is not sufficent space (intentionally) then you receive prompt messages..."storeage is almost full. You can manage storeage in settings"

Theoretically, as you say IOS upgrade auto download only works via wifi. However I have experienced the update being forcibly pushed via cellular. I did log this via Apple Support, but as per usual got nowhere. If I remember I'll did out the log files.

You will not be compensated for data usage, these are Internet devices, they will use data. If Apples system is not to your liking try an Android.

If your business does not have enough data allowance to function correctly that is your problem, buy more, it's a business.

What is the logical reason to download update if the User deliberately have chosen NOT to update.

If this is internet device does it mean that it should abuse traffic and download data that User doesn't want.

The same questions go for storing this redundant data on device.

You cannot justify dumb usage of internet traffic nor storage just by claiming it is an "internet device".

It is not logically correct as long as user have a choice wether to update or not.

I hope you are not going to argue abut user's right to have this choice, at least right now it is present on iOS devices.

So continuos redundant download should be clearly seen as BUG behaviour if we do not want to suggest something worse,

and claim it is "internet device" is not an excuse, at least as long as you wish to keep your answer consistent with logic.

if you do not like regular normal logic, you can try "windows logic" where it is normal to push into the throat something

user doesn't want. Apple became what it is by making choices consisted with logic, so I believe Apple should fix that.

Due to the buggy behaviour user had additional unexpected costs, so normally it should be payed back to him.

And if user have spotted bug or dumb activity on his device it doesn't mean he should accept all troubles or otherwise

go to have some other device as you suggested.

The normal expectation that the issue should be fixed on THIS device especially because it is

very easy to fix. This is a logical behaviour and step that is expected from Apple.

As far as I know iOS upgrade auto download only kicks in automatically over WiFi

And if your iPad connected through wifi to your iPhone with Personal hotspot turned on? ...

This continuous automatic download is a buggy behaviour that Apple should fix,

as long as there choice not to update, iOS should be consistent with that choice of user!

@occaocco, well said!!!

...After all repeatedly downloading unwanted data has no cost does it?! Either financial or enviromental. Doh... Yes!!!

It is unacceptable for any company to forcibly push software (upgrades or otherwise) onto it's Users. Give the Users the choice, when and where and what the choose to download.... that's a much more customer centric approach. Listening and responding to what your Customers want is good business.

Customers will get ****ed off. There will be more class action lawsuits against Tech companies. Eventually their behaviour will change. Just a shame that Apple isn't leading the way.

Apple Configurator 2.0 requires OS X El Capitan and iTunes 12.2 or later.

> What is the logical reason to download update if the User deliberately have chosen NOT to update.

Once again there are no options to disable automatic iOS auto download. There is an option to turn off automatic App update.

> And if your iPad connected through wifi to your iPhone with Personal hotspot turned on? ...

> This continuous automatic download is a buggy behaviour that Apple should fix,

Watch your cellular data allowance gets depleted in a few minutes. Bugs? I think not. Bugs are unintentional. This is a feature intentionally designed to give users no option to turn off.

I get the feeling that you think I agree with Apple (or other companies) decision to shove OS updates down our throat. Well, you are wrong. I hate that crap as much as you do but unfortunately almost all companies are doing the same thing. Windows 10 Home edition, for example, does not allow user to control OS updates. Not only do updates auto download, they install automatically too. Android is no different. It auto downloads OS updates but doesn't auto install.

Once again there are no options to disable automatic iOS auto download. There is an option to turn off automatic App update.

Yet, I am making a point that, still there is an option "not to update" which user can choose,

and in order to make this option to work, there is a logic demanding that further downloads will not occur,

at least once user have chosen "no" and deleted redundant update manually. It's simply a logic.

I get the feeling that you think I agree with Apple (or other companies) decision to shove OS updates down our throat. Well, you are wrong. I hate that crap as much as you ... ...

Probably I do not have to convince you in all of that and you agree with it,

But I am making a stronger point for lack of logic even for the options that are there right now.

that's why I call it buggy behaviour, that leads to redundant traffic or storage abuse.

@occaocco, What happened to your other post?..."automatic iOS auto download would resolve the issue, as the absence of it leads to the situation when 10 years old boy or anyone else holding the device..."

I agree with Shag CA..."Bugs are unintentional. This is a feature intentionally designed to give users no option to turn off."

I'd add an opinion that it's a feature which is poorly thought out and which adds very little value from a Customer perspective. Sometimes it's easier for Tech companies to introduce software features which make life easier for them and then just sit back and wait and see how much objection the Customer raises.

Whatever, it's a pain in the ****! For me it's just another reason why I will not upgrade any of my Apple products when the the time comes (for several it's actually long overdue)

Technology is meant to enrich our lives by making tasks simpler or entertaining. Sorry, Apple - Emoji's don't qualify. It's time to get back to basics!

> What happened to your other post?...

Actually I have no idea what had happened to this other longer post, it just saw it disappeared without any trace or notice and I had a few attempts to post it properly, so I wrote a shorter one leaving only "logic" to see if it's working at all. I have a spare copy of longer one, so with a hope it was a "technical" problem only, I can try to post my thoughts later.

Thank you for your support. I in general agree with you, and trying to write my software this way.
Still I think this effect of multiple endless downloads are unintentional side effect which just looks like bug for me,

even if the idea was to push updates as much as possible.