Folders on top in El Capitan

I was addressing your reply to me. I have no interest in the overall argument.

Terence Devlin wrote:

Folders on top makes logical sense.

To you.

The fact that you've gotten used to this for 30 years is completely irrelevant.

No, it rather demonstrates that not everyone uses the same logic as you. As has been pointed out exhaustively in the thread already, there are multiple ways to achieve what you want. Why not use one of those.

Oh look a level 8 & level 10 member of the Apple Support Community disagrees with different logic because Apple.

It's Apple, just deal with it people!

It is not a setting in Finder for all views. Still, It is not advised to use XtraFinder and certainly not Totalfinder.

The work around I used earlier is putting a 0 in front of the folder names, but I don't do that anymore...

I and many others have already used Feedback (see Eric Root's post), but the more the better.

BTW XtraFinder is still working, but you have to (partially) disable the SIP protection (I would not do that).

In general, I'm not sure why you are defending the current situation?

I'm not defending anything. I'm simply pointing out that there's more than one perspective on this.

As for making an option of it, then send a feature request. This is not the place for those, use the feedback mechanism, or even, use one of the (many) alternatives.

Oh look a level 8 & level 10 member of the Apple Support Community disagrees with different logic because Apple.

Oh look someone with basic comprehension problems. Perhaps you need to read what I wrote, and If I'ma level 10 it's because of one reason only: other users of the forum found my assistance helpful, and awarded points. That's the only way. You might want to read up on how the forum works - after you figure out what I actually said, not what you think I said.

heligo9 wrote:

Terence Devlin wrote:

Folders on top makes logical sense.

To you.

The fact that you've gotten used to this for 30 years is completely irrelevant.

No, it rather demonstrates that not everyone uses the same logic as you. As has been pointed out exhaustively in the thread already, there are multiple ways to achieve what you want. Why not use one of those.

Oh look a level 8 & level 10 member of the Apple Support Community disagrees with different logic because Apple.

It's Apple, just deal with it people!

If you have a problem with Apple, send them feedback. This is not the place for it. Tell them what you don't like and what you'd like to see changed. They won't respond, but if enough people all send in feedback about the same issue, maybe a fix will happen. Maybe not. We have no way of knowing. None of us here work for Apple, we're just Apple users like you trying to help other Apple users.

http://www.apple.com/feedback

I'm not defending anything. I'm simply pointing out that there's more than one perspective on this.

"Potatoes - Potatoes" (quoting Data from Star-Trek)

As for making an option of it, then send a feature request. This is not the place for those, use the feedback mechanism, or even, use one of the (many) alternatives.

Has been done before me and will be done after me, I'm certain.

You can post a feedback also, the more the better, I asked for the preference to see the folders on top added to the View->Arange by in the Finder Menu...

Okay, so you've nothing to add then.

Not really, I think I made my point, you made your point. Somewhat we are all done I think.

I somewhat repeat myself: what is the problem of enabling a feature that is apparently somehow there, but hidden and by making it a preference leave it to the user to decide whats best for them?

It isn't there, hidden or not. It has never existed. The closest thing that ever existed and still does is Sort by Kind.

The Finder "enhancements" that enable that option inject code into the Finder to make it perform those functions. They don't just enable some hidden preference. If that was the case, things like TinkerTool, OnyX, etc would have the capability to provide what you want.

First of all I do not believe that if you are used to search folders typing in the names, that anything will change for you if the sorting would change.

Microsoft can't seem to make it work on Windows. You always get stuck on the folders and can't proceed past them.

Secondly,if this would be a preference setting (like all the other sorting methods already available) no one will be hurt who doesn't like the idea, but a lot of users would be quite happy to use it.

Apple rarely, if ever, provides options. Take Tags, for instance. They removed Labels and added Tags. You can't have Labels even if you liked them. There isn't a preference to set such that you can have Labels back.

You can continue repeating yourself, here, but it serves no purpose. We cannot re-code OS X. You'll have to talk to Apple to request that they provide the option. The link on how you request enhancements from Apple has been posted many times.

I am not sure who said it used to be there. It was not, as you said.

There are several ways to come close to a solution but not really the same: arrange by kind is a possibility, arrange by date arrived is another one...

It was/is a feature in some Finder alternatives, like XtraFinder.

The problem with these oem Finders is that they can do a lot, but have to dig in too deep inside OSX, so that they also bring the risk that they cause issues. That is why use of these products has been discouraged here.

A good example is XtraFinder, that makes it possible again to have coloured icons in the sidebar. Just that caused issues. But just that was the reason that XtraFinder was downloaded and used by millions of users. After a while XtraFinder noted it in the app that that could cause issues (to be safe, I guess).

A lot of people, including myself, think that if XtraFinder people can do it, Apple can do it. But Apple may have other priorities. I would like to have the option that is discussed here. But not enough to risk issues on my mac....

Lex

And I thought I'm done. Apparently not.

It isn't there, hidden or not. It has never existed. The closest thing that ever existed and still does is Sort by Kind.

So then this posting here offering a solution to the problem (no code injection, but rather a crude but method of interfering into the sorting rules provided in a .plist file) is a myth?

http://www.howtogeek.com/67100/force-your-mac-to-put-folders-on-top-of-files-win dows-style/

Unfortunately in El Capitan and even Yosemite things must have changed as I could not follow the provided steps. Or it could be just me being unable to follow them. What is interesting in the proposed solution is that it is so simple.

Microsoft can't seem to make it work on Windows. You always get stuck on the folders and can't proceed past them.

I could simply tell you that I really don't care what Microsoft does or not. But then again, you are plain and simply wrong in this statement. I do work with both OS on a daily basis and with regards to Windows this worked since day one (or at least as far I can think backwards ... Windows XP). Type in your search...and you find a folder if there is. Type in the search again and you end up at the next file with that name.

Apple rarely, if ever, provides options. Take Tags, for instance. They removed Labels and added Tags. You can't have Labels even if you liked them. There isn't a preference to set such that you can have Labels back.

Before we debate terminology or what Apple does provide or not, the finder provides a toolbar where one can choose the way of sorting. Apple could add another option there for folders first. And before I get another hint to suggest it to Apple, I got that.

flexier wrote:

And I thought I'm done. Apparently not.

It isn't there, hidden or not. It has never existed. The closest thing that ever existed and still does is Sort by Kind.

So then this posting here offering a solution to the problem (no code injection, but rather a crude but method of interfering into the sorting rules provided in a .plist file) is a myth?

http://www.howtogeek.com/67100/force-your-mac-to-put-folders-on-top-of-files-win dows-style/

That wasn't altering a preference setting. That was hacking the code of the Finder. You can no longer hack the code of apps in El Capitan without disabling SIP. Once the hack the app, you can re-enable SIP, but an update may change things back.

However, the determination of "Kind" has been slowly evolving using Universal Type Identifiers instead of file extensions or the original Mac OS Type and Creator codes. So, altering the sort behavior by putting a space in front of "Folder" may no longer affect the Sorting and Arranging. You would likely need to hack Spotlight, now.

Correct, corefiles already have changed a long time ago and they change all the time...

Such a hack is not necessary at all, basically what it does is a rename of all folders by putting a blanc before it. You can do that yourself with batch rename, that is why I suggested the zero (instead of the blanc, so you always see what you are doing).