Anyone still using iWeb having issues with El Capitan?

Ethmoid! Why so angry? Did you not get what you wanted for Christmas? Hopefully your New Year's is better!

Happy New Year!!!

Oh. I didn't realise it was being carried over! I've never done a fresh instal, only updated on top of the last OS, starting at Leopard.

Still, I expect I am not the only person to have made this false assumption....

I'm not angry, but just trying to state that iWeb is an unsupported product and has been for the last 3 to 4 years and there does come a time when you all need to accept this and move on rather than having false hope that Apple is ever going to fix anything in iWeb to make it work with the latest OS when it is an unsupported product.

Bryn and misissippichick and Ethmoid and NowhereMan and everybody else:

We have here two interesting and divergent viewpoints: one suggesting that the program we have been using - iWeb - is no longer supported and any bugs with it should be considered proof that it’s time to move on to something else - perhaps EverWeb; another viewpoint suggesting that we share our comments with Apple in the hope they might sit up and listen and actually update the program.

So which viewpoint is correct; one seems jaded and resigned, the other naive and hopeful? I suggest both are realistic responses. But, If I had to ally myself with one of those perspectives, I’ll pick naive and hopeful, any day. Hey, this is America - we can wallow in the frustration of being defeated, or we can do something about it. If nothing else, we can at least share our frustration with the people who have knowingly abandoned millions of iWeb users. [I have worked in the public sector for over 25 years and I know that, yes, you CAN fight City Hall, in fact, pretty easily.]

The current Apple is no longer the cynical Apple of Steve Jobs, secretive and arrogant. I think there is no choice for the company to begin to show a human side [I’m a small shareholder, so I speak as an insider]. Tim Cook has some difficult times ahead and we could be doing him a favor by providing an easy opportunity to resolve a very sensitive user issue.

But, Bryn, instead of sharing feedback about your MacBook Pro, it is the latest version of the operation system - El Capitan - that is at fault, not your computer. So everybody that is interested in providing feedback, use the Mac OS X feedback form at <apple.com/feedback/macosx.html>.

Spread the word. There must be millions of frustrated iWeb users out there. If we get enough comments to them, Apple will have to take note and there may just be an iWeb 10 [or whatever] before you can say: antiestablisimentariasm.

If nothing else, isn’t this more fun than having to learn RapidWeaver?

Happy New Year, y’all

Richard

What on earth do you mean by "viewpoints suggesting that iWeb is no longer supported"? Unfortunately and however much you do not want to admit it, it is a simple fact that iWeb has not been supported for the last 3 to 4 years and has not been updated for the last 6 years.

This is a straightforward FACT and NOT a viewpoint - FACT - iWeb is no longer supported or sold by Apple.

If you knew some of the background, then you might have a better understanding of why this is is give up on being so naive and thinking that Apple is actually going to do anything with a product that has not been updated for the past 6 years.

The first iWeb was iWeb 06, then came iWeb 08 and then iWeb 09. This was when Apple introduced firstly dot Mac and then MobileMe. iWeb was specifically developed for both dot Mac and MobileMe because they included facilities for web publishing. Apple decided to quit MobileMe and get out of web publishing because iCloud was the future and did not provide facilities for web publishing. This is the reason why they dropped support for iWeb and have not updated it for 6 years.

Apple is primarily a hardware company and NOT a software company and I think they probably realised that there were a lot of software companies out there that could produce web creation products and applications better than they could - so you have the producers of RapidWeaver and Rage Software that have produced EverWeb, that is designed to be a direct iWeb replacement.

These are the basic facts and it still remains a fact that iWeb is not supported by Apple.

Time to move on and let go of your naive hope!

Hey, Ethmoid. Good to hear from you again. I propose that we both make a New Year’s resolution to not carry this topic longer than the end of this year. That should about cover it don’t you think? Ha, ha…

I totally agree with you on what are the facts surrounding iWeb no longer being supported by Apple Inc [I remind you that they dropped the word “computer” from the company name, so we no longer know what they perceive to be their target business…downloadable music? watches? electric cars?] But where we have a different viewpoint is: what, if anything, can be done about it.

I often find analogies useful. Let’s imagine that in the next version of OS X, which undoubtedly will be called Half Dome or Denali, we are informed that Apple will no longer support GarageBand or Final Cut Pro or Photos or iTunes, because it wants to focus its activity on watches and electric cars.

[For those of you tuning in late, relax, there is no such rumor; it’s just to make a point.]

Think of GarageBand and the millions of budding, hopeful musicians. And the reliance that 100’s of millions of people have worldwide on all these artistic-focused programs. I can assure you there would be a significant backlash. Yes, there might even be a few dozen, here and there, who refuse to just accept the inevitable and choose to share their frustration with Apple.

I place iWeb in the same category as those other programs, since it best serves my interest as a graphic artist. As with many other contributors to this forum, I have close to a 1,000 webpages, so it’s not just a matter of switching to a different program. And as you know the format for websites don’t just convert from one program to another.

So what I’ve been suggesting is that, at a minimum, people need to share their frustration directly with Apple; the only way to share info is to use the Mac OS X feedback form at <apple.com/feedback/macosx.html>. What’s the point of having a Customer Feedback form if customers don’t provide feedback?

Let me assure you that I am the ultimate Apple loyalist. I’ve been using Mac’s since the era of the Mac Plus and during the mid-90’s, when it seemed that Apple was finally going under, before Steve Jobs came back, I bought Mac after Mac to show my ongoing financial and symbolic support. And, as I mentioned in an earlier reply, I’m even a penny-ante shareholder.

But, I want to be proud of “my company” - for it to be accountable and responsive. I’m sure you recall the famous commercial from 1984 in which Apple warns us against Big Brother. Let’s face it, Apple has become Big Brother. And if we don’t speak up we will have become like those drones in the audience.

Cheers, Richard

THANKS ! IT WORKS NOW !

First iWeb was a head of it's time, it is still the best WSIWYG local editor.

It still support PHP and HTML/HTML5.

On can basically emulate most modern web site include WP template and other based on WP templates without all the overhead they bring.

Problem is if you have Text with shadow feature, the image png will be blank. Question is will other OS and browser see it as a missing image with an icon.

Work around, you can still have a graphic text link, just not a hover link. Create a normal text with shadow effects. Overlay a shape and link the shape. Set Opacity to 0%. Image do not have the issue unless you add text also to the image. ( work around create you image with text in another app and use as just and image.). - Yes some browser will show that ugly outline around the image, even if it is not active with mouse. There is code you can add to remove that box. But this is an issue mostly in older browser like IE.

The key to making it compatible with IE, yes IE which really is so far behind the curve. Do not set opacity in the inspector, set it in the color option. Reflection does not work with IE so don't use it. Even though many effect in iWEB are great, not all work well with Windows IE browsers, which sadly, is still a big audience. IE limit is also fonts. So if you want to be creative w/o using CSS fonts package you normally use the show feature to force it as a png image, so any browser see it like you intended it to be.

Because most modern browser have now caught up with using frames, it easier to create great effects still with iWeb.

example: http://wmixstudios.com More complex iWeb sites have been generated, but I cannot show the links here sorry.

As far as a tool to manage iWeb package files, I will be making a tool soon once I verify it works in 10.11, as it does work fine with 10.10 and earlier. It is a simple too that allow you to do many things.

Possible issue: It is like the script that iWeb runs is no longer supported. So the app can not run the script correctly to generate the the complex image to covert it to a simple png with link.

<time stamp> iWeb[756]: Assertion failure: Method: compositeRect: Object: <SFDDisplayCanvas 0x4faaf400> File: /SourceCache/iWeb/iWeb-601/src/sfrendering/SFRCanvas.m Line #: 445 Canvas no longer works in non-accelerated composited mode.

iWeb doesn't support PHP.

But if you want to use PHP in iWeb, try my PHP widgets :

http://responsive.2kool4u.net/misc/iweb/

If you want to use custom fonts, like Google Fonts, here's how to do it :

http://wyodor.byethost8.com/Google/Google_Fonts.html

And to manage multiple domain files, use iWebSites. It's been around since 2008 :

http://wyodor.byethost8.com/iwebsites/iWebSites.html

Yes it does, because it support HTML widget you can integrate PHP with HTML to make a fully functional iWeb Template with PHP. This basically allow you to have a whole set of feature of a WYSIWYG template editor that interacts with your PHP pages. I have several sites which use iWeb template and has PHP via the HTML. There are no need for any widget add ons or the need to edit any of the existing iWeb files or the publish iWeb template file.

And has been awhile there is one thing at time you can also do by editing the the published templates js file to add other features. Normally that js only has to be edited once, but if you republish the site that effects the js you have to reset that edit. Been awhile, so I don't recall which js that was and would have to look it up. Sorry busy with other projects.

Actually, no it doesn't. iWeb never has and still does not support PHP.

Hi BrynXXX - thanks for your posting. I used iWeb 3.0.2 & OS 10.9.5 & also use Cyberduck.

Works so well like a great charm.

However, hesitate yet to upgrade to EI Cap.

Hence, advice seeking or anyone pls. tell me do you all have trouble even to operate it?

I contacted AppleCare, they said iWeb won't even operate in EI CAP.

Is ti rue??

Seeking North star guide.

Cheers,

wabbie

Thnx.

Hi Richard - couldn't agree with you more.

Yes, keep iWeb alive.

Thanks for everyone for keeping the conversation and iWeb aid going!!

I'm using iWeb still in El Capitan. With no issues whatsoever. Just updated my website using it yesterday. Still fully functional.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

Pete