El Capitan and IPhoto??

Hi sberman, does this mean that you succesfully upgraded to El Capitan and still using iPhoto 9.6.1?

I am up to date on 10.10.5 and will only update to 9.6.1 if iPhoto will still work there.

Technologies change, but replacing both iPhoto and also Apperture (!!) by a cloud publish tool like Photos ... that is indeed just a change, not an improvement.

I take it you mean update from 10.10.5 to 10.11.1?

If you have read all of this thread, you should have seen several people say (several times) that iPhoto 9.6.1 works perfectly with El Capitan.

I can confirm for you that this is true.

Organizing sessions ("Events") is terrible in Photos, one huge stream for 30.000 photo's is not an option ... I don't feel like sharing my or my customers photos to all kind of "social" media, I need to use them for more serious purposes.

There are no events in Photos, it uses a different paradigm. That said the word that leaps out to me there is "customers"... why on earth do you think a freebie giveaway app is appropriate for commercial use? If you have "serious purposes" go and buy a "serious application".

Seriously, it's a free app optimised for consumers with iPhones and iPads. Why are you using it?

I agree that a freebie giveaway app cannot be complained about, but know that Apple also "replaced" Aperture (paid pro app) with Photos too ... highly disappointing

Indeed the word that leaps out is "customers" because Apple appears to have forgotten about them.

Do you really think the Photos User Interface is customer friendly?
The real problem for me with Photos is the removal of "events". All of my photos were easily organised into Events and some went into Albums. A few of those I actually printed in books.

To give you an idea I have nearly 20,000 photos in iPhoto and they are ALL organised into 165 Events and only 12 Albums.

So I still have and use iPhoto and will continue to do so as long as I can or until Apple re-introduces some kind of management library management system that works for me.

When I open iPhoto I see the Events as thumbnails organised from most recent. It is so easy. I do not want 165 Albums in a column down the left of the screen.

So, yes, iPhoto works with El Capitan.

And, yes, I have written to Apple with Feedback to ask them to restore Events.

but know that Apple also "replaced" Aperture (paid pro app) with Photos too ... highly disappointing

No they did not. They stopped developing Aperture and go out of the pro-level image software entirely. Photos is not intended in any way to replace Aperture. You don't replace a pro-level $80 DAM application with a giveaway. So, you need to find an app with the equivalent power of Aperture. Photos isn't it and never will be.

Mikjr wrote:

How can PHOTOS be a replacement for IPhoto?? It doesn't and even do the same function... in IPhoto, you could crop, sharpen, make photo adjustments, etc. I don't see those capabilities in PHOTOS to do that. OR am I missing something??

Yes, all of those functions exist in Photos. Calm down and take a look on the editing pages

So, you liked Events. Before there was Events there was a different paradigm in iPhoto - Rolls. and that changed with iPhoto 08 and you'd have thought the world ended then too. There were loads of folks for whom Events were an impossible downgrade. But Rolls never came back. People adapted and learned. Events are gone.

I don't like the Photos interface but it's no more difficult to use that the Photos one. But that's me. Your feelings are different. But then, I was never that invested in Events and much more in Albums, Keywords and Smart Albums - so, using all the the tools, not just one.

As for the customers: most - and I do mean most by a very significant margin - Apple customers are mobile users on iPhones. Apple are thinking about those customers. The ones that wanted a way to manage and process images across the range of devices. Events make no sense on mobile. Moments do. So, no I don't think that Apple have forgotten their customers at all, but as in everything else they do, they provide a cheap or free app with 'good-enough-for-most-customers' features. If you want other features, buy a 3rd party app.

And really? Only 20k photos? I have 60k and guess what I did? I looked at Photos and said 'good for what it does, but not what I want' and went and bought the app that gets closest to my needs.

Thanks Terence. I would be happy to buy an app that did what I want ... organise my photos.
Events for me work just like Folders for other documents.

I have bought photo editing apps like Snapheal Pro and Fotor and Fotomagico for slideshows, so I'm not averse to buying apps.

I am an Apple user since before mobile phones came out. I even had the first Macintosh. I also use iphone and iPad - and I don't like the way my photos appear on those devices either.

How do you organise your 60,000 photos so you can find your way around them easily? I would love to know how to do it in a way that my brain works, not in a way that suits a techie at Apple HQ working on an iPhone.

As it happens I use Adobe's Lightroom - but then I shoot mostly in Raw, but it's also used by other family members who shoot with (yes!) iPhones and Point & Shoots. It has a learning curve, definitely, but there is a wealth of stuff online you can look at before committing - and you can also download a trial too. I stated over on YouTube - there's a lot of videos there that will allow you to see it in action.

Chris, I 100% agree with your comments - that is exactly how I used to use iPhoto's with the events and folders.

I am disgusted and very unhappy with Photo's, and also the whole OSX El Capitan upgrade - my computer doesn't perform as well across a range of uses.

If you find a way to get iPhoto back - or a new way of using photo (or a new app altogether) I'd be pleased to hear what you've found.

At the moment I am just unhappily trying to make do with Photo's, and hating it.

Thanks in advance,

Tony.

Tont, I am still using iPhoto. I have looked around and have not yet committed. I don't have time to do trial periods! Or I don't want to make the time.

this helped me

Thanks for the response Chris.

I too am back on iPhoto - I have had to wipe my whole hard drive, and re-install 10.6.8 and have iPhoto's back.

Admittedly now cannot back up my phone, as it isn't recognised by my version of iTunes..........

Pretty unhappy with how Apple do this with their upgrades.

Can understand if I couldn't get some new App or something with my older machine and OS - but to be able to do something as simple (and required!) as back up my phone......... And to be able to keep iTunes and use it.......... Very arrogant I think.