sound compression

i have several tracks on a podcast that were voice tracks recorded at different times with the speakers at different distances from the isight mic. of course the volume level goes up and down during the podcast, especially when i go from human voice to music file. i have the low volume tracks turned up all the way, but it is still hard to hear.
i want to limit this volume variation using grageband if possible (podcast was made in garageband).
i found a tutorial here:
http://www.macjams.com/article.php?story=20040329063101758
and found this feature in garageband:
User uploaded file
if i use this on the mastertrack, should it level out the volumes automatically for me? or should i run the file thru another program?
thanks all
erich
PS - Podcast is found here if you are interested in hearing the problem...
its on Episode # 2
http://oceanboom.com/podcasts/index.html

PowerBook G41.5 GHz1 GB DDR SDRAM, Mac OS X (10.4.8), 40GB B&W iPod - iScroll - Chax - iSight - Airport Express

Posted on Nov 24, 2006 7:37 AM

Reply
11 replies

Nov 25, 2006 7:25 AM in response to Erich Meatleg

Hi there. I just finished a two part interview in my podcast with Rick Pepper, an veteran audio engineer on speech processing. He basically gives a master class on processing the voice. He goes through this step by step and I ask a lot of questions along the way. You can find the podcast and screen shots of the effects used at http://digiaudio.blogspot.com.

If your not interested in checking it out in detail here is what he is suggesting these processing steps on the vocal track:
1. Hi pass filter or graphic eq to gradually filter out content below 75- 80hz
2. AU Mulit-band compressor setting the attack rate to zero and mild output gain (5-7db). You really have to play with the rest of the settings to see where they match your voice best.
3. MDA bandisto VST plugin top get some sparkle in the high frequencies. This is a free plugin but it is VST so you need an application that offers VST plugin support - Amadeus II or Amadeus pro on the Mac are the cheapest options on the mac - $30-$40 US. That said, this is really icing on the cake. You can skip this step.
4. AU Dynamics Processor: take advantage of the noise gate and reduce the background noise and boost the output gain a bit more.

Now this requires 3 - 4 insert effects for one voice track. Garage band only offeres 2. So I would do the processing in another tool if you have one available. I do my recording in Audio HiJack, voice processing in Peak, Audacity, or Amadeus. Then I insert the processed track into Garage Band. If nothing else I would run the hi-pass filter (step 1) in Audacity and then multiband and dynamics in GB. The new Audacity beta has AU support.

Its sounds like you used the isight mic and moved around a lot. For best results in the audio, stay close to the mic. The farther away you are the more noise you introduce.

Powerbook G4 867mhz Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Nov 25, 2006 8:38 AM in response to Erich Meatleg

Awesome!!! this is the kind of info i was looking for.


I'm not sure. For your problem, all this sounds a bit like "shooting sparrows with a cannon", as we say in Germany. If your main problem is different levels of the tracks, you should set the right levels first, and a compressor is not the first choice tool for that (although it has a volume slider). You should probably normalize your sound files in a simple audio editor (like Audacity or SoundStudio). When they all have the same max volume, you might go ahead and use compression to make them sound more alike.

Nov 25, 2006 9:19 AM in response to Christoph Drösser

Yes and no. Doing a peak normalize may not help that much. If your peak level in the entire audio file is -1db, the peak normalize will only raise average levels by 1db.

RMS normalize would be better but to get that on a Mac you have to buy Peak Pro 5 for $599.

The Levelator does a really good job on uneven levels.

I was presenting a road map to getting good sound for speech which is a bigger set of steps than just evening levels.

Ultimately, it sounds like he may not have been close enough to the microphone which is really the best solution

Nov 25, 2006 2:14 PM in response to xs4is

3 reasons I can think of

1. Raising the volume is limited to 6db
2. raising the volume via automation may cause you to clip (move over 0db) if your not compressing
3. raising the volume automation will likely cause ambient noise to be rasied to so you need a noise gate as well

But, there is more than one way to skin the cat so if this works for you, no reason not to do it

Nov 25, 2006 6:35 PM in response to ghankstef

the problem i had with making this podcast was mostly bad planning.

for my narration im right in front of my isight mic.
for the interview with the band, i couldnt decide wether i was going to include video or not, so i used the isight cam to record video, and i later extracted the audio with QT pro. in retrospect, i should have just used the isight microphone to record sound, and used my analog sony cam-corder to take the video for later possible usage (really poor planning).

so when i interviewed the band, they were quite far away from the mic because i had to put them in front of the isight for the video recording, and i was right behind the isight cam asking them questions.

when interviewing the american ex-member of the band, i had the isight mic in between us and i decided not to shoot video, but i followed the extraction process to make the process as similar as possible - meaning i recorded a video (but i just had the camera facing the floor) and extracted the sound.

the main problem i created for myself was volume variations caused by distance from the mic, and now i am trying to fix it. its a learning process, and thanks to ghankstef and everyone else with suggestions.

This thread has been closed by the system or the community team. You may vote for any posts you find helpful, or search the Community for additional answers.

sound compression

Welcome to Apple Support Community
A forum where Apple customers help each other with their products. Get started with your Apple Account.