Basic queries on use of iPod Mini G2 Converted to "8GB CF"

7 Years ago I asked for help converting this iPod found in a draw-full of bits destined for the tip!

Kenichi gave me good advice but it went back into the drawer only to be discovered again 7 years later!

This time, I've finally gotten round to doing the conversion!! 😊

All has gone uncharacteristically well and I now have an 8GB player that functions perfectly as far as I can tell at present.

Since this was my daughter's machine, I have no idea how to take control of it!

Just to give you an idea of my skill level; it took me several minutes to find out how to increase the volume!

First problem I have is that iTunes didn't allow me to "manually manage" my music prior to the "restore" since those options were greyed out!

Once it had "restored", and I re-connected, those options are now available to me.

Since the entirety of my "Music" collection has now been copied to the device, which includes a couple of "e-Books" and also various sound effects, ring tones, mail announcements etc. I would like to "weed out" that which does not constitute soothing musical sounds but I'm afraid of the consequences!

Having elected to "Manually Manage" my music, I was scared off by a message that effectively said "Do you really want to do that?

Not understanding the consequences which might follow if I said "yes", I thought I would be wise to consult the oracle first!

If it is indeed possible to "take control" without too much pain, I would like to know how to remove the offending bells, whistles, horns etc.

I could then move on to the next possible stumbling block, "e-books". which are currently listed in both Albums and Songs, just as they are on my phone, hopefully there is some way of recognising them on the iPod as "books".

Once it's fully charged, I'm hoping that it will play nicely with my Merc's "Audio 50" system.

Any words of wisdom would be much appreciated! 🙂

Posted on Mar 9, 2016 9:06 AM

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Mar 10, 2016 9:37 AM in response to Dirty_Lil_Monkey

I now also have an iPod mini with flash-based storage. I previously did similar mods on 3rd gen and 4th gen "classic" iPods. iPod mini is very accommodating to replacing its micro hard drive with flash-based storage. A key reason is because its "MicroDrive" already uses the compact flash (CF) card form and connector. But current prices for the physically smaller (and more popular) SD card is much lower at the same capacity, compared to CF card, so I used an SD card to CF card adapter, and converted a 64GB SD card into a CF card. This is the adapter I used


http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00EPMWT1M/


Its size (including thickness) is an exact match for the 4GB MicroDrive it replaces. I already had a 64GB SD card that I used with my Mac, but they cost less than $25 on sale these days! And the adapter is $13. Amazingly, the iPod mini's onboard software (designed for 4GB to 6GB of storage) works perfectly at 64GB. The available capacity is about 59GB; I have about 54GB loaded.

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So, if you outgrow 8GB in your iPod mini, here's your "next" project... 🙂 Back to your actual questions.

First problem I have is that iTunes didn't allow me to "manually manage" my music prior to the "restore" since those options were greyed out!

Probably because (at that time), it was set up to sync to your daughter's iTunes library. The iPod can only be associated with one iTunes library at a time. When you did a Restore on it using your iTunes library, the previous association was removed.


If everything currently on the iPod exists in your iTunes library (on the computer), don't worry about "consequences." You can re-sync anything back to the iPod, if you remove something by mistake. Here's one convenient way to set things up...


In your iTunes library, create a new playlist. You can call it iPod Songs. Add ALL the songs you want on your iPod to that playlist. At this point, the iPod does not need to be connected. You are working with your iTunes library only. You can post back, if you want tips on working with playlists.


Then, connect the iPod and select it in iTunes (click its device button on horizontal bar) to show its settings screen in iTunes window (like you see above in my screenshot). Along the left side (in the sidebar), under Settings, click Music. To the right, the iPod's Music settings screen is shown.


NOTE: For anyone else reading this, any songs on the iPod that are not in your iTunes library will be lost.


Checkmark the box for Sync Music, if it's not already. Below that, choose the option to sync Selected playlists, albums, artists, and genres. Below that, under Playlists, find and select (checkmark) that iPod Songs playlist. You don't need to select anything else on that screen (you can if desired). Click Apply. iTunes syncs only the songs you put on that iPod Songs playlist to the iPod. Anything else that is currently on the iPod is removed.


Going forward, you can update that iPod Songs playlist in your iTunes library (add/remove songs). The iPod does not need to be connected. The next time you connect the iPod (or click Sync if already connected), iTunes automatically updates the iPod with the same changes. This is how I use my 8GB iPod nano, except I have more than one playlist that sync to the iPod (a few playlists for running and a "favorites" playlist).

I could then move on to the next possible stumbling block, "e-books". which are currently listed in both Albums and Songs... hopefully there is some way of recognising them on the iPod as "books".

I think you mean audiobooks. Text-based "e-books" do not work with iPods (except for iPod touch). If audiobooks appear in your iTunes music library, they need to be categorized as audiobooks in iTunes. Right-click a "song" (that is actually an audiobook) in iTunes, and Get Info. You can select multiple items at the same time and Get Info on the selection. In the Info window, go to the Options tab. Change Media Kind to Audiobook, and OK. The item now appears in your iTunes Audiobooks library (not your Music library). The iPod also see the item as an audiobook, not a song, when synced.


To set up syncing for audiobooks, the procedure is similar to songs. On the iPod's settings screen, in the sidebar, under Settings, click Audiobooks. Set up the iPod's Audiobooks settings screen, and Apply.

Mar 10, 2016 6:34 AM in response to Kenichi Watanabe

Wow Kenichi!

You certainly are the Guru on these players, thank you so much for your kind help.

It has taken me seven years to follow your original advice, so I didn't want to "push my luck" by trying to use SD cards! 😁

I'm just grateful that a standard Kingston 8GB card worked for me with no problem, I have seen so many tales of frustration on the late Mark Hoekstra's site.

Any ways, 8GB holds the entirety of my music library with just over 2GB for future expansion! (How sad is that?)


One day I'll get round to digitizing my vinyl and maybe some of my cassettes, ... if Audacity can make them acceptable!

Then I might have to step up to 16GB, but for now I am well pleased!


Since posting my original question, I have tried it in my car and was so pleased that it was immediately recognised.

I sat there exploring my new toy for a couple of hours only forced to quit by the onset of frostbite! (it was 4°C out there!)


Just a few small queries before I go and experiment with my newfound knowledge!


I notice from your screen shot that you don't have the "Manually Manage Music" option checked, is that because you can only check one option at a time?


My iPod has been automatically named "Admin's iPod", can I edit that to a more personal name, ...if so, how?


The fact that all my library is for the moment on the iPod has made me aware that I have many duplicated tracks, if I just delete duplicates in my library, I suspect that it would play havoc with the affected Album's track numbering:

Maybe I would be better to just leave these in the iTunes Library, and when I create the "iPod Songs Playlist", actually create it at "Track level" so that I can avoid duplicates which would occur if I took the easier route and created the playlist at "Album level"...more tedious unless you have a work-around!


Regarding "Books"; you are quite right I did mean "audiobooks", other folks experience in trying to "tame" them seems to open quite a can of worms!

I'll try changing the media kind in iTunes library and see if that fixes it on the PC before syncing the iPod!

I only have two, but it would be nice to prevent them from being selected on shuffle play!


Grateful thanks again Kenichi for your excellent help.

Mar 10, 2016 9:36 AM in response to Dirty_Lil_Monkey

One day I'll get round to digitizing my vinyl and maybe some of my cassettes, ... if Audacity can make them acceptable!

GarageBand (which comes pre-installed on Macs) works well to digitize analog sources. It's not just for "weekend musicians." It's a large (seemingly complex) application, but the parts I use for this particular task are limited (I don't need to know "everything" about the app). I only need one recording track in the "project," for the analog source (turntable or cassette tape player). I record one side of the tape or record continuously, pause recording, then record the other side, to get the raw audio source into the single project. I can then edit the recording into separate songs using GarageBand, and "share" (convert and export) the song directly into my iTunes library as AAC files. It has useful capabilities, like doing a fade-in or fade-out, and "effects" to help reduce background hiss and make the recording sound better. I've even edited out the effect of an old scratched record "skipping back." But back to the actual topic... 🙂

I notice from your screen shot that you don't have the "Manually Manage Music" option checked...

Yes. You can have the iPod set to use manual loading or automatic syncing, one or the other. The Manually manage setting is not checked, if the Sync Music setting is checked. Some people use the Manually manage method because of the misconception that you cannot pick and choose songs with automatic syncing. Totally untrue. You can put the EXACT songs you want on an iPod Songs playlist (one or more), and set up automatic syncing to sync the selected playlist(s), which is what I described in my previous post.


This method is also FAR better if you ever need to do a Restore on the iPod due to data corruption. If you were manually adding and removing songs from the iPod, it could take you hours to manually load the iPod the same way after the Restore (assuming you can remember). But if you were using automatic syncing with one or more playlists, it takes just a few seconds and mouse clicks to set up automatic syncing again, exactly like it was before. Then click Apply and let iTunes do all the work of loading the iPod. Same thing if you get a new iPod. The playlists exist in your iTunes library, not just on the iPod. (And remember to back up your iTunes library on the computer, along with the rest of your user data, in case your computer or its drive fails.)

My iPod has been automatically named "Admin's iPod", can I edit that to a more personal name...?

Yes. In my screenshot (previous post), see the little picture of iPod near upper left corner? Click the iPod's name to the right of the little picture. Its name become editable. Change it to whatever your want, and press Return on keyboard.

Maybe I would be better to just leave these in the iTunes Library, and when I create the "iPod Songs Playlist", actually create it at "Track level" so that I can avoid duplicates which would occur if I took the easier route and created the playlist at "Album level"

Playlists are always at the "track level"; it's a list of songs, not albums. Playlists can have complete albums, but it's still a list of songs. When you sync a playlist to the iPod, on the iPod, you can access and play the songs using the playlist or the album or the artist or the genre (or just shuffle all songs on iPod). And yes, if you create a playlist to sync to the iPod, you pick precisely what's on the playlist, so the condition of your overall iTunes music library does not matter. You can fix your iTunes music library slowly over time, while having exactly what you want on the iPod.

Mar 10, 2016 9:36 AM in response to Kenichi Watanabe

That was quick Kenichi!

I have long admired the Apple Creativity Apps they are very powerful tools, but since Mac books are punishingly expensive in the UK, I have in the past bought or built "PC's" for either Windows or Linux OS's.

I did treat myself to an iPad 4 but the iLife bundle sadly isn't included with that!

Audacity is OK, it's very powerful, not that I have ever mastered it, I just use it to achieve what I want, ...and sometimes I have to accept compromises usually invariably due to my own limitations! 😀

I'm testing the life of the battery at present, I've been attached to the iPod since 11am (six hours) like a teenager!

since I wasn't convinced that I could make a success of the conversion, I didn't order a battery, thinking that I would probably just attach it to the car's audio system and leave it there but it is such a delight to use, I think I'll be carrying it around with me so I may have to change the battery later!

There is a Li-Polymer 3.7v 650mAh available from iPodrepair.nl which I have bookmarked for the future!

Ah! just heard three "beeps" which I think means that the battery is about to expire!

...not bad at 6,5hrs today plus about 2 hours yesterday, so replacement battery might be a little way off yet! 🙂

I'll put it on the mains charger and meanwhile make a start on that "iPod Playlist", brilliant idea Kenichi, thanks!

Geoff.

Mar 10, 2016 3:39 PM in response to Dirty_Lil_Monkey

For some reason, I thought you used a Mac... I don't own an iPad; I did not consider using an iOS device to digitize analog audio. I may try that in the future. 🙂 I sometimes hear a song on TV that I want to save as an audio file. I "DVR" it, and then connect audio-only output from the cable box to my Mac. Using an iOS device would be more convenient, with the right adapter and app.


8+ hours on a charge is more than good enough. I think that's close to the original specs, for "up to" how long battery lasts from full charge. Using flash-based storage instead of the original micro hard drive probably helps - no moving parts now. It is likely that its original storage used more power.

Mar 11, 2016 5:19 AM in response to Kenichi Watanabe

For some reason, I thought you used a Mac...

If only! 😍

I find my iPad brilliant for "consuming" information, but rather frustrating on the "creating" front, due to the extremely limited storage and connectivity issues compared to a laptop/desktop machine.

I've found an invaluable little "gismo" that helps my iPad with both these shortcomings to a degree, ...it's even cheaper in the US.:-

http://www.amazon.com/HooToo-Wireless-Performance-TripMate-Hotspot/dp/B00HZWOQZ6 http://

Great for long plane journeys when you can wirelessly enjoy movies or TV programmes from a flash drive, and even share them with fellow travelers!

I sometimes hear a song on TV that I want to save as an audio file.

Pleased to hear that I'm not the only one who "gleans" music tracks that way! 😉


Battery continued last night for a further three hours showing no "bars", I eventually had to go to sleep so put it on charge!

I had a feeling that it was in decent condition because I had only charged it for a few hours via USB when I first discovered it.

Seven years later I found it again, ...and it still turned on and you could hear the microdrive whirring away!


I'll post back once I've followed your advice and created a "master" play list (iPod Songs) as I'm sure I'll have loads of questions.

One that immediately occurs to me is how to create other playlists for different moods/occasions, could this be done from within the iPod, ...or would that have to be done in iTunes on the PC?

Mar 14, 2016 11:47 AM in response to Kenichi Watanabe

Regarding the creation of my playlist "iPod Songs", I have created the empty playlist, and over the last couple of days I have gone through my library unchecking duplicates and those songs I don't want on my iPod.


I'm now at the stage where I would like to "Add the checked songs" to the playlist.

Is there some way to tell iTunes to add ALL the checked items to the playlist, ...or do I really have to drag each track across individually? 😮

Mar 14, 2016 12:58 PM in response to Dirty_Lil_Monkey

You did not need to uncheck songs. Putting songs on the playlist is how you choose the songs that go on the iPod, not checking and unchecking songs.

do I really have to drag each track across individually?

Of course not... You can select all of your checked songs at the same time, and add them all at once. To do this, show your music library list using the Songs view, to show a plain list with columns. Clicking on a column heading sorts the list by that column. Click the heading of the checkmark column, to sort the list by songs having or not having a checkmark. All of your checked songs are together on the list.


To select multiple (consecutive) items on any list in iTunes, click the first item, hold down Shift key, and click the last item. The two clicked items and all items in between are selected at the same time. Do that to select ALL checked songs in your music library at the same time. Then drag entire selection to the playlist (or right-click selection and Add to Playlist -> [name of playlist]).


SIDE NOTE: To select multiple items on any list in iTunes that are not consecutive, hold down Control and Alt keys at the same time (Command and Option keys on a Mac) and click the items. All clicked items are selected at the same time when you hold down those keys. You can also unselect items by holding down those keys and clicking selected items. For example, you can use the first method to select consecutive items (like all songs on an album) at the same time, then use the second method to unselect songs that you don't like. Using the two methods, you can select any combination of items on any list in iTunes, which is an important skill for creating and maintaining playlists.


You can now do what I described in my first reply, and set up automatic syncing to sync just that one playlist to the iPod. Going forward, just add new songs you want on the iPod to your iPod Songs playlist (and remove songs you no longer want on the iPod). You don't need to check and uncheck songs in your iTunes library.


Later, you can create more than one playlist for your iPod, each for a different purpose. On my 8GB iPod nano, I have several playlists for running and a "favorite songs" playlist. Don't worry about having the same songs on multiple playlists. iTunes only syncs each song once to the iPod, even if they are on more than one playlist.

Mar 14, 2016 3:55 PM in response to Kenichi Watanabe

Oh dear, I'm confused!!😕

Of course not... You can select all of your checked songs at the same time, and add them all at once.

You refer to "checked songs, ...my entire iTunes library is checked!

The tracks I want to have on the iPod are in the majority so it seems easiest to just uncheck:-

a) the duplicates, and

b) those songs which you don't want,

That would leave me with a playlist comprising the majority of my library, (that will be something less than 3GB!) 😁


Not expecting such a quick reply, I have, possibly wrongly, followed the instructions by Zevoneer here:-

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1686521?tstart=0

But that has had an unexpected result for my iTunes library, grouping together a dozen or so "orphan" tracks as an album, and using the single piece of artwork amongst them to make it look like it is an album!

These are the minor irritations that I always dread with iTunes which always get much worse the more you try to correct them!!


Despite that, I now seem to have a "Smart" playlist under the name of "iPod Songs", ...or am I deluding myself! 😝

I will not do anymore in case I create even more carnage, until I hear back from you!

I am grateful that you are still keeping an eye on this thread!

Thank you.

Mar 14, 2016 3:59 PM in response to Dirty_Lil_Monkey

my entire iTunes library is checked!

I'm confused... Didn't you just say

over the last couple of days I have gone through my library unchecking duplicates and those songs I don't want on my iPod.

How can your entire iTunes library be checked, if you just went through to uncheck songs you don't want on the iPod?


The other topic you linked to is about creating a smart playlist. You can do that, although it's an overly complex way to create a playlist with checked songs.


Please clarify you current situation. In your main iTunes music library song list, are all of your songs currently checked, or did you uncheck the songs that you don't want on the iPod?

Mar 14, 2016 4:57 PM in response to Kenichi Watanabe

Hi Kenichi, I must apologise for my inadequacies with this software, I am a complete novice at using iTunes, despite it being my default Music Handling software for more than 10 years, and I thank you for your continuing help and support in guiding me!

My experience of using iTunes has been that it plays only the entries in the library's list of songs which are check marked.

It skips those tracks which are not checked.

Ergo my entire library, in it's natural state has a check mark against every entry.


Thinking logically, I expected that "unchecking" duplicates and unwanted tracks or sounds would achieve a list of tracks which I wanted to become the content of my "iPod Songs" playlist.


At that point, I followed Zevoneer's instructions, and created a playlist which almost resembled the content I wanted to achieve, with some anomalies!

(It's possible that I missed the odd track when "unchecking") so I have gone through the playlist and weeded out (unchecked) those which shouldn't be there, and I'm hoping that I now have the finished playlist ready to transfer to my iPod.

My iTunes Library, (disregarding the "Orphan Album"), is more or less as it was at the start except that the several items I wanted to omit from the iPod playlist currently remain "unchecked" in the library listing also, I may leave them that way for now since I'm not really keen on those items, but don't want to delete them just yet.

In order to transfer the Smart Playlist "iPod Songs" onto my iPod, do I just drag "iPod Songs" from the list on the left hand side of the iTunes window, on to my "iPod Icon" when it is connected?

In the event that I add Tracks/Albums, to my iTunes Library in the future, is there an "idiotproof" way to also add them to the "iPod Songs" Playlist?


Mar 14, 2016 5:27 PM in response to Dirty_Lil_Monkey

I think you are over-thinking it. 🙂


I believe you are saying that currently, all songs you want on the iPod are checked in your iTunes music library. And the songs you do not want on your iPod are not checked. If this is the case, to make things as simple as possible, do the following. Don't use playlists (for now).


Select the iPod in iTunes (click the device button on horizontal bar) to show the iPod's Summary settings screen in iTunes window. There is a checkbox there for Sync only checked songs. Checkmark it. If you look way back at my screenshot, you'll see that it is checked there. I use it because there are some items in my iTunes music library (like nature sounds and sound effects) that I don't want on my iPod, so using that option excludes items I have unchecked.


Then, in the sidebar (of the iPod's settings screen), under Settings, click Music. On the iPod's Music settings screen, checkmark the box for Sync Music. Below that, choose the option to sync Entire music library. Click Apply. iTunes sync your complete music library to your iPod, minus unchecked songs.


This method should work fine for now. Later, when your iTunes music library size exceeds what the iPod can hold, unchecking and checking songs to select what does and does not go on the iPod may become a pain. THEN, you can create playlists in your iTunes library with only the songs you want on the iPod and set up the iPod's Music settings screen to sync only those playlists (without using the checkmarks). Hopefully by that time, you won't be an iTunes "novice" anymore... 🙂

Mar 14, 2016 5:45 PM in response to Kenichi Watanabe

Thanks for that Kenichi,

I don't have the iPod connected at the moment, so I can't quite follow what you are describing.

Nearly time for bed here, so I will try and follow your instructions tomorrow, but that sounds as if it might be the simplest way to go!

I got into a "You have been Logged Out" loop earlier whilst trying to add the following edit concerning "Books", so I've taken the chance to post it below, hope it makes sense to you!

EDIT.

Oh, yes...whilst "unchecking" my "not required on iPod" tracks from the iTunes "Songs" library, I came across the two "Books" which were listed there and "re-assigned" their "genre" as "Audiobook" on the details tab, and also as "media kind" "Audiobook" on the options tab,

Whilst both then promptly disappeared from the iTunes Library (Music) listing, one of them remains in the "iPod Songs" smart playlist!

I guess I should manually "uncheck" all 22 chapters from my "iPod Songs" smart playlist, ...yes?

Searching for the pair of them in the iTunes Library, I have found them in the "Books" section under "Audiobooks".

Is there some way to include these audiobooks as "books" in the content of my iPod, thus avoiding the possibility of them being played as if they were Songs?

Mar 14, 2016 6:12 PM in response to Dirty_Lil_Monkey

The only setting that matters (for how iTunes categorizes an item in iTunes) is the Media Kind setting on the Info window's Options tab. If you set Media Kind to Audiobook, they now appear in your iTunes Audiobooks library. To see this library, click the button for Audiobooks, which is shown on the horizontal bar (near left end) along with the buttons for Music, TV Shows, Movies, etc. If you don't see the one for Audiobooks, click the three dots, and set Audiobooks to be visible on the horizontal bar. All items in your iTunes library with Media Kind set to Audiobook appear in the Audiobooks library.


To sync audiobooks to your iPod, on the iPod's settings screen in iTunes, in the sidebar, under Settings, click Audiobooks. The iPod's Audiobooks settings screen is shown to the right. Checkmark the box for Sync Audiobooks. This turns ON syncing for audiobooks. You can choose the option to sync All audiobooks. Otherwise, choose the option to sync Selected audiobooks, and make your selections from the list below. Click Apply to sync audiobooks to the iPod.

Mar 16, 2016 6:52 AM in response to Kenichi Watanabe

OK, an update on my "antics"!

Only I could mess this up!

Today I connected my iPod and at the summary screen checked the sync only checked songs and edited the device name from "Admin's iPod" to "Geoff's iPod".

Upon pressing "Enter" at this point, expecting just the edit to complete, which it did; I also immediately saw the "Content" bar graph shrink from around 4GB (my full library) to around 2.5GB, (presumably my checked items) ...hadn't expected that!

I then followed your instructions to Sync all "Audiobooks", and all seemed well!


After disconnecting and examining the iPod content, I navigated to "Menu > Audiobooks", ...and it was empty!

The books do however appear under all the other listings, so they are "in the library" I just need to somehow "tag" them so that they are "seen" as books and not music! 😕


Another thing which I didn't expect, though not a problem, is that the two playlists I created had also been loaded on the iPod!

The first one, I created following your instructions but had failed to "Name", I didn't noticed but it had in fact succeeded and assumed the name "Playlist 2"!

(I have no idea what happened to "Playlist 1")

The second one, named "iPod Songs" created following the other instructions as a "Smart Playlist", not sure if the "smart" bit just refers to the manner of creation, or if it imbues the playlist with some magical qualities!

In any case, both these playlists have identical content, ...the entirety of my "checked items", aka my full iPod library, including the books!


So with your excellent help and despite myself, I seem to have stumbled inexorably to 90% success! 🙂


This I can live with, but it would be nice to be able to banish the books to their own domain, ...if you could suggest how, that is!

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