Apple have stolen my iPAD

Apple have stolen my iPAD


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I purchased an iPad from Becextech Australia in August 2012, (Order #19453) and it was working fine until Apple decided to upgrade their O/S on the 24th of March 2016, and have now locked me out of using it. Becextech is an on line Australian supplier: https://becextech.com.au/ and they are selling the whole range of Apple products.


After several attempts at getting it unlocked, Apple now tell me that the Becextech receipt (which I actually found after 3 and a half years) is a "Second Hand Receipt", (their words), and not good enough for proof of purchase, so they can't unlock the iPAD for me.


I have been working on trying to get this sorted out since the date it stopped working. Just spent another hour on the phone to Apple talking to Paidro. I spent about the same time with Demi on the phone. Both of these people have been very good, but are obviously restricted in what they can do for me.


What I am now being told is that Becextech have to provide proof of purchase of this product from an Authorized Apple dealer before they will unlock this device. I am still waiting on a response from Becextech. I doubt very much that they can do anything for me, but I do need a response from them.


I can't understand why a company such as Apple would allow me to use a device for 3 and a half years, then stop me using it.


I am a 73 year old aged pensioner, and I know that this is very, very wrong, perhaps even a criminal offense. We paid good money to Becextech, knowing a large portion of these funds flowed on to Apple in some way, and we are locked out of a product after nearly 4 years of use.


Apple say Becextech aren't an Authorized dealer, and this is the reason they need to provide proof of purchase to Apple.


It appears the problem is associated with me not knowing my password for a "@me.com" account. As I don't have access to the domain "me.com" what is the point in me knowing the password after nearly 4 years.


I have been using the same username and password to get into 3 Apple accounts (as well as my iPAD) and my ID credentials are working well. These are all web based accounts: "My Apple ID account", "My Apple icloud account", and "The Apple Support Community".


I am pondering my next step, and wondering if Consumer Affairs is a long road to take, or should I just go straight to the media.


Cheers Don...


Don M.


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iPad, iOS 9.3.1, Not working

Posted on Apr 10, 2016 3:27 PM

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Apr 10, 2016 6:03 PM in response to Ashka

Thanks ChrisJ4203 and Ashka for the replies.


I have and will follow every path I possibly can on this. Please bear in mind that I have been on the phone for several hours with Apple trying to sort this out, and they have now completely locked me out of even using the "@me.com" account.


I do intend to push this through to a sensible conclusion. If it means many messages on this Forum, or any other forum, then I will keep going.


This is extremely unfair of Apple, as they have effectively stolen a product that I paid good money for.


Cheers Don...

Apr 10, 2016 9:57 PM in response to dontronics

I can appreciate your frustration, however this forum is not the place to voice it. Posting here to vent your frustration and to just describe what happened to you is not permitted by the TOS. Apple hasn't stolen your device, and your subject line is deceptive. While the device many not be working right now, you still have possession of the device. You need to work out getting it to work. Your issue is with the place you purchased the device from and then Apple. Since you did not purchase the device from an authorized reseller, Apple has the right to demand additional information. Remember who you paid this money to, it wasn't Apple.

Apr 10, 2016 10:30 PM in response to ChrisJ4203

Thanks for the feed back ChrisJ4203


Apple has stopped me using this device, and I believe it is a result of bugs in their latest Operating System. I have done nothing wrong, and I can't use this iPAD.


As far as an existing retailer is concerned, how is the consumer expected to know who is, and who isn't an authorized re-seller?

Would you expect consumers to run around every time they buy a product to see who is, and who isn't authorized?

This company offers the full range of Apple products. Would you expect them to say in big bold red letters,
"We are not an Apple Authorized dealer, so if you have problems down the line, we can't help you!"

Sure I will do as you suggest and keep pushing the non-authorized re-seller, but I was lucky that I kept the receipt from 3.5 years ago. I don't think it is reasonable to ask even a non-authorized re-seller to find his receipts after this length of time.


Cheers Don...

Apr 11, 2016 3:04 AM in response to dontronics

Would you expect consumers to run around every time they buy a product to see who is, and who isn't authorized?



Yes.



That company you list is not affiliated with Apple in any way and by the looks of it, does not include Apple's warranty with products purchased from them. It seems they supply their own warranty. All the Apple products I looked at do to make mention of AU STOCK.


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On each Apple product's page, I do see "their" standard warranty listed, but no mention of Apple's. You may be entitled to a wide range of support for your purchase due to Australian Consumer Law(s). From BecexTech, who is the retailer that sold you an Apple product..


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Apr 11, 2016 3:33 AM in response to dontronics

dontronics wrote:


Thanks for the feed back ChrisJ4203


Apple has stopped me using this device, and I believe it is a result of bugs in their latest Operating System. I have done nothing wrong, and I can't use this iPAD.


As far as an existing retailer is concerned, how is the consumer expected to know who is, and who isn't an authorized re-seller?

Would you expect consumers to run around every time they buy a product to see who is, and who isn't authorized?

This company offers the full range of Apple products. Would you expect them to say in big bold red letters,
"We are not an Apple Authorized dealer, so if you have problems down the line, we can't help you!"

Sure I will do as you suggest and keep pushing the non-authorized re-seller, but I was lucky that I kept the receipt from 3.5 years ago. I don't think it is reasonable to ask even a non-authorized re-seller to find his receipts after this length of time.


Cheers Don...

Every country specific Apple web site has, at the very bottom, a "find a reseller" link that brings you to a search page to look up Authourized resellers (https://locate.apple.com/au/en/). All Apple Authorized Resellers will be listed there and if a company is NOT listed there then they are NOT an Apple Authourized Reseller, no matter what they may say or advertise. And yes, as the consumer, it is indeed up to you to investigate and know what you are buying and whom you are buying from. Who else do you suggest take responsibility for your purchase decisions?


And I would not expct an unauthorized reseller to say anything but deceptive or misleading promises. This is the whole basis of the phrase "buyer beware". As the consumer, you need to check out that what is advertised is actually true or trustworthy and make your choices of where to shop and purchase products. No business that is NOT an authorized seller of trademarked products sold via an authorized network is going to shout out that fact. That's why you have to check out the places you do business with yourself. An unauthorized reseller is inherently a "gray" market dealer as they cannot get new Apple products directly through Apple's reseller distribution system. As such, they are completely outside of any rules set by Apple for Reseller practices, and can and will do as they please, including outright deceptive sales practices.

Apr 11, 2016 12:32 PM in response to Michael Black

Thanks to both LACAllen and Michael Black for the good constructive feed back.


When I said:


"Would you expect consumers to run around every time they buy a product to see who is, and who isn't authorized?"


I don't mean just Apple. I meant any company.


If I see a large on line store selling for example Acer, Amazon, Asus, BlackBerry, Canon, Casio, Dell, Google, GoPro, HP, HTC, Lenovo, etc. then as a consumer I must go and check to see if the on line store is an authorized seller for these products before I commit to buying?


If Apple allows their authorized re-sellers to sell onto large on-line stores, then surely they must be responsible. If not, they should ban all authorized re-sellers from on selling these goods. They can't have it both ways.


As a consumer, it sticks me in the middle of their back yard brawl, and I suffer. Apple got my money, and I can't get access to a product that they manufactured and sold to me via their legal, or illegal system of sales.


Cheers Don...

Apr 11, 2016 12:44 PM in response to dontronics

I don't think that it has been brought up yet that the Apple ID that this device is locked to is someone else's Apple ID. The person who's Apple ID is on the device put that lock on the device to protect themselves in the situation where that device was stolen or lost.


Since there is no "chain of evidence" here, it is impossible to say at what point this device got moved from the person who put the lock on to the seller who sold you the device, but the seller should have made sure that the Activation Lock was turned off before selling it to you.


Here's a little background on Activation Lock:


ACTIVATION LOCK


When someone has put one of these locks on a device, they must follow the instructions below to remove the lock:


Turn off Find My iPhone Activation Lock - Apple Support


A responsible seller should not purchase devices for resale without making sure that the steps in the link above have been taken.


In your case, upgrading the iOS required you to restore your device, and that is when you ran into the Activation Lock. So, the problem is not with the iOS. Sooner or later, you would have run into this issue. If you had to restore your device for any other reason, then the same thing would have occurred.


The people you need to take the case up with is the seller who sold you an Activation Locked device. They essentially sold you a device that was eventually going to become useless to you. So, it seems to me that it is they who should be replacing that device with one that functions properly.


Best of luck,


GB

Apr 11, 2016 1:00 PM in response to gail from maine

Hi gail from maine,


thanks for the response, but I am the original purchaser of the new product, and I activated the device back in August 2012.


Problem came about with a system update on 24th March, when the ID was now being associated with my "@me.com" account and not the apple ID I have been using for 3.5 years.


They admit to a bug in the operating system, but won't unlock my device.


I can't even guess at passwords now, as they have locked me out of using the @me.com account.


Cheers Don...

Apr 11, 2016 6:50 PM in response to dontronics

OK, so I'm confused about why you are not able to go here and reset the password to that account here: Apple - My Apple ID. If you don't remember the answers to the Security Questions then Apple Support should be able to send you the link to reset them:


ACCOUNT SECURITY SUPPORT


Not sure what you mean about being locked out of the @me.com account. If you follow the steps above, you should be able to get the password reset.


Cheers,


GB

Apr 11, 2016 8:05 PM in response to gail from maine

Hi gail from maine


I can go to my apple ID account which is set up on a dontronics.com email address.

It shows no devices, so I can't reset anything.


I can change my password, and change my security questions.


I do have the me.com email address that was first registered, but as I can't get email from there, I can't send anything to myself in the way of email.


Locked out? When I attempt to sign in with the me.com ID, I am told the account is locked for security reasons.


The unauthorized re-seller has finally answered my emails, and I now have Consumer Affairs Victoria (Australia) involved, so I hope we can resolve this.


Cheers Don...

Apr 11, 2016 9:51 PM in response to gail from maine

Thanks gail from maine


However I have done this many times. If I log in with the me.com email address, I don't get an email because I don't have access to that domain. Yes I just tried it again.


If I log in with the email address which is something like ipad-mm-yy@dontronics.com, I get an email and I can change the password, and security questions. The same email address has been fine for running the iPad for the last 3.5 years, but not since the update on the 24th of March.


I have also done this with Apple on the phone, have done many hours of this in fact.


Cheers Don...

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