Is El Capitan that unstable??

I've been "tempted" to upgrade to El Capitan.

I'm cleaning up my hard drive (external/internal) and want to see if the upgrade is worth it.

Though, I've been reading plenty of posts with users saying that EC is causing problematic/nightmarish issues for many.

I have a 2011 MBP currently running Yosemite (which I upgraded last Dec.)


The hard drive is the original one and I do have some older software apps installed. PhotoShop (back up copy), Microsoft 2011 are the main ones.

I keep the internal hard drive light when it comes to storage.


I'm a photographer who does lots of editing with some video editing.

I hear the BIG change is faster performance with El Capitan, but that seems to be the problem with users as some are saying it's running slower and freezing.


Appreciate feedback.. should I wait until the next update to jump to EC??


Thank you in advance.. ~A~

Posted on May 2, 2016 3:42 PM

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May 2, 2016 3:54 PM in response to Atcandela

I have El Capitan running on a mid-2010 MacBook, and I've had no troubles whatsoever. Just what exactly are you using to "clean up" your hard drive? If it's any of the following programs (not to mention others I didn't name), I would immediately stop and uninstall it following the developer's instructions:


  • AVG Cleaner
  • CCleaner
  • CleanMyMac
  • MacCleaner
  • MacKeeper
  • Memory Cleaner
  • TuneMyMac


People experience slowness/lagginess/freezing/dragging for more than a few reasons. Their hard drive could be failing, the hard drive could be too full, they could have a bunch of incompatible apps/plugins/extensions/drivers that don't work with El Capitan, they could have installed anti-virus/maintenance programs (like the ones listed above), they could need to add more RAM....the list goes on. 90% of the time, people's issues with El Capitan are cleared up by dealing with one of the problems just listed. For a small group of people, it's something other than that. If you're going to upgrade your system, make sure you take the following steps first:


  1. Check that all of your currently installed apps/plugins/extensions/drivers are compatible with El Capitan. If they're not, update them so they are. If they can't be updated, uninstall them. If you can't uninstall them because they're essential to employment, then don't upgrade your OS.
  2. If you've taken care of #1, make a full backup of your system using either Time Machine or a program like CarbonCopyCloner. In the rare instance something goes wrong, or if you just plain decide you don't like El Capitan, you can use that backup to restore system to before the upgrade.
  3. If you have any of those aforementioned "maintenance" programs on your computer, or if you have any anti-virus programs on your computer, uninstall them completely following the developer's instructions. You can find them on the developer's website.
  4. When you download the installer from the App Store, stop the process before it can be installed. Move a copy of the installer to another folder, because while it downloads to your Applications folder, once the installation starts, it goes away. It's always good to have a backup of the installer in case something happens and you need it.

May 2, 2016 5:27 PM in response to Atcandela

El Capitan 10.11.4 is on my 2011 Mac mini (16GB) with SSD, the 2009 Mac mini(4GB), and a 2014 MacBook Air(4GB). It functions perfectly on all three of my machines.


Most of the negative emphatic posts that you see about El Capitan problems in the support community are from people that have incompatible third-party software issues, have infected their machine with malware (not viruses) from web surfacing, and/or email phishing, or running absolutely useless anti-virus, or so-called cleaner applications. And there are a few Darwin award contenders that remove parts of their operating system to free up space or simply get rid of what they don't want or need — and then the OS bites back.

May 2, 2016 5:46 PM in response to Atcandela

There are a gazillion different Macs around, and somebody is always having a problem with something or another. El Capitan is seemingly a complete and absolute disaster if you're fond of filling your Mac with dreck, malware and junk, or if you prefer to modify parts of the operating system directly and don't want to turn off the system integrity protections intended to block those changes in El Capitan, and there's always a good chance for "fun" with add-on anti-malware and add-on anti-virus and such. But then the same sorts of problems can and have arose on earlier OS X releases, too. There are also cases were some of the older printers and some older software has fallen off of support within an OS X release, too. But if you're running without add-ons and such, then make a backup or two to external storage, upgrade, and have a look around. That test upgrade is the only way you'll really know for sure, after all.

May 2, 2016 5:50 PM in response to Atcandela

If El Capitan were "unstable" no one would use it, or should.


Read Upgrade to OS X El Capitan - Apple Support.


Assuming that you are already in the habit of routinely backing up your system you can evaluate El Capitan at no risk and at no cost. If you do not routinely back up your system, you should. Obtain an external USB, FireWire, or Thunderbolt hard disk drive for your Mac, then download and install El Capitan on it. You can choose to start your Mac from that disk or the internal one using Startup Manager (hold an option key while you start your Mac), and evaluate El Capitan at no risk whatsoever to your existing installation. Just be sure to designate the proper installation location for El Capitan when you get to that installation step.


Running OS X from an external USB hard disk won't be as fast as the Mac's internal one, but it will be sufficient to draw conclusions regarding its suitability for your needs.


An external hard disk drive of adequate capacity can be purchased for well under $100 - much less than the cost of some previous OS X upgrades themselves. When you satisfy yourself that El Capitan works for you, then "clone" the external disk's contents to your internal one, and use the external disk for backup purposes — which you ought to be doing anyway.

May 2, 2016 6:56 PM in response to Atcandela

You could clone your system to an external drive and then upgrade the clone. If your older apps are working with Yosemite, they may work OK with El Capitan. Nothing compels you to burn your bridges and upgrade without a safety net (complete backup, keep previous system, etc.).


I'm not using El Capitan for anything serious, but it seems pretty snappy in my limited use of it. You didn't mention how much RAM you have installed — 8 or 16 GB would be advisable. You may also find El Capitan somewhat slow if your internal hard drive is the stock 5400 rpm drive that came with the MBP.

May 3, 2016 3:08 PM in response to pinkstones

Thank you Pinkstones..

I definitely don't have any 3rd party "Mac clean up" software loaded on the internal hard drive.

I'm aware of their compatibility issues causing possible problems.


What I meant by cleaning up is deleting specific data on my external hard drives to allow more space.

My MBP hard drive seems to be working fine and as mentioned I keep it loaded with minimum data to keep the MBP running without any/minimal issues.

I have 8GB of memory installed.


🙂

May 3, 2016 3:25 PM in response to John Galt

Thank you for the reply, John


I recently ordered 2 external hard drives 2TB & 3TB to help back up a CD case full of data/images.

I'll follow the steps for downloading and starting El Capitan from the external drive and test it out that way.


Also, I may consider upgrading the external hard drive at some point. Will look into that later on.

I love my 2011 MBP as the peripherals (CD/DVD player, ethernet, thunderbolt port, etc) are included and has the antiglare screen.

I'll follow up with this post once I get the external hard drives and test out El Capitan..


Appreciate the feedback.. ~A~

May 3, 2016 3:34 PM in response to Atcandela

Atcandela wrote:


That's the right idea. Creating a back up (Time Machine) then do the upgrade.

But if the upgrade isn't to your liking then you're out of luck downgrading back to Yosemite.


That's not - quite - right. Time Machine conveys the ability to revert to any previous system state, including its operating system, given the number of available backups it contains, which is ultimately limited by the capacity of the backup device.


You can conceivably have years upon years of available backups and operating systems from which to choose. If yesterday's Time Machine backup contains a backup of your Yosemite system and you want to revert to it, it's as simple to do that as it would be to revert to a Lion installation from five years ago, as long as that backup remains.

May 4, 2016 2:03 PM in response to John Galt

Yes, that's what I was referring to.. having the most recent copy of my Yosemite system on Time Machine.

Though I believe it doesn't revert back to OS Yosemite, correct?

Would I have to do clean install to go back to Yosemite?


I'll "test drive" El Capitan" from my external HD and see how it runs. Will keep in mind that it may run slow as it's running from an external source.

May 4, 2016 2:26 PM in response to Atcandela

Atcandela wrote:

Though I believe it doesn't revert back to OS Yosemite, correct?

Would I have to do clean install to go back to Yosemite?


No. It's just like I wrote: using Time Machine you can revert to any previously backed up system. If you were to do that, you would be following the instructions in the following Apple Support document: Use Time Machine to back up or restore your Mac - Apple Support. The instructions under "Restore Everything" explains how to recover an entire system, including its operating system.


It would be a good idea to disconnect the backup drive, or temporarily turn off Time Machine while evaluating El Cap. Otherwise, the possibility exists that a subsequent backup might erase a previous backup. Time Machine will retain as many older backups as possible given the capacity of the backup device, but if it only has the capacity for one complete system, that is all it is guaranteed to retain. It is not designed or intended to archive countless numbers of earlier systems.


I'll "test drive" El Capitan" from my external HD and see how it runs.


That's another way to do it. It is preferable because all you would need to do to revert to your previous installation would be to simply restart your Mac normally — in other words, without using Startup Manager to boot from the external hard disk drive.

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