how to change drummer tempo without changing audio tempo?

I have recorded audio at 100 bpm and am using the electronic drummers. There are sections of the song that need (2x) or double speed for the drums yet the electronic drummers do not have the (2x) feature like the rock drummers do and I wish to keep my audio at recorded tempo.

MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Mid 2014), OS X Yosemite (10.10.3)

Posted on May 3, 2016 1:15 PM

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May 18, 2016 2:24 PM in response to PurpleWavesOfTheEclipticPlane

I assume that with "Electronic Drummer" you mean the "Drum Machine Designer" and you recorded some MIDI Regions that play the drum part along with your Audio Regions.

You are right that the Drum Machine Designer doesn't have a "tempo x2" feature, because it doesn't know anything about tempo. It is basically a Sampler Instrument (Ultrabeat, to be specific) that just plays back MIDI Events (your MIDI Region). And there is the solution:


If you recorded a MIDI Region and want to play it back faster (time compress) or slower (time expand), you use the Trim Tool while holding down the option key. You will see a different Tool icon. Any length change now will keep all the MIDI Events in the Region (it does not truncate), instead, it stretches or compresses the MIDI Events, meaning, it plays them back faster or slower proportionally.


For example:

If you have a 4 bar MIDI Region of you drum groove, opt+drag the right border two bars to the left. Now, the Region is only two bars long, because the drum pattern (your MIDI Events) are played back twice as fast.


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Hope that helps


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Aug 2, 2016 5:33 PM in response to BenB

What is a "Smart Drummer"? I want one too.


About the conversion process.

Converting a Drummer Region to a MIDI Region works well, because the output of the Drummer (the Drum Pattern Generator) creates MIDI Events that are transformed into a MIDI Region with those MIDI Events.

However, the reverse process is not really working. The Drummer Region is just a set of instructions based on parameters. The Drum Pattern Generator has no idea what to do with those individual MIDI Events, it doesn't understand "MID input".


Try it:

  • Convert an 8-bar Drummer Region to a MIDI Region
  • Time-Compress the 8-bars to 4-bar Region. Now it plays back double speed
  • Convert the MIDI Region back to a Drummer Region and the result IS NOT double-speed, it is back to its original speed, just with different pattern (that the Drum Pattern Generator try to make sense out of with the MIDI Events input).


Hope that helps


Edgar Rothermich - LogicProGEM.com

(Author of the "Graphically Enhanced Manuals")

http://DingDingMusic.com/Manuals/

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Aug 2, 2016 6:55 PM in response to EdgarRothermich

Correct, I have converted to midi, compressed it, then converted it back to drummer region and it goes back to original tempo. So I'm still where I started of needing to change the tempo of the drums without changing the speed of the recorded audio tracks, while still having the ability to manipulate the drummer regions for the Ultrabeat drummer

Aug 3, 2016 2:00 AM in response to PurpleWavesOfTheEclipticPlane

If you change the main tempo, your audio will stay at the tempo it is, unless you have flex enabled on it. A second important thing to remember is that any audio region that does NOT start at 1 1 1 1 will shift its starting position if you alter the tempo; if you want to avoid that, you should SMPTE-lock those audio regions first: that will keep their starting point at a fixed time.

After rereading I understand that you want the drummer to play double time.

First SMPTE-lock all your audio files, then SMPTE-lock all MIDI regions and MIDI-events that have to remain at the old tempo, then double Logics' main tempo.

Aug 3, 2016 9:19 AM in response to Eriksimon

In addition:


If you use the "Detect Tempo" command on an imported Audio Region or a BIP Audio Region, then the Follow Tempo checkbox will be added for those Regions.

Edit ➤ Tempo ➤ Detect Tempo of Selected Region...


Warning: The checkbox is called "Follow Tempo & Pitch", but if you use the Detect Tempo command, then only Follow Tempo will work and not Follow Pitch.


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Hope that helps


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http://DingDingMusic.com/Manuals/

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