Hard Drive Sporadic Rhythmic Activity?

I would like to know what causes a particular hard drive activity, and if I can control it's occurrence besides dismounting the HD?

I have four external hard-drives (1 usb 3 firewire -smallest being 160GB all new within a year or so.) all of which make a sporadic sound I am wanting to understand. When I posted this almost a year a go, I was told the drive was failing and to replace it. Not only has nothing failed, but I now know that this happens with a Western Digital, Fantom, LaCie, Maxtor USB or Firewire drives and all from new. And no matter how much data is stored. But I assume some data has to be stored. I erased one drive with zeros and ones considering it might clean the drive and did not notice the activity through a day, but on a next day placement of 60GB of mp3s heard this activity again. I am thus considering that this activity is a maintenance or indexing or similar function of the operating system, but I do not know.

(Surprising to me was also that before placing the mp3s I run Datarescue & found that much of the data was still recoverable even after erasing with zeros & ones. Thus I conclude permanent elimination only occurs by writing to every sector of the drive. A late discovery given a past sale of a powerbook only 0ed & 1s)

Simply stated, the sound is an activity of the hard drive (I assume the head, but...) in the absence of my calling it to do anything. It has a specific repetitive sound rhythm as though some maintenance call is asking the head to do a pattern which produces a same repetitive clicking movement and rhythm. It lasts perhaps a minute or so and then stops.

I can stop the pattern at any time simply by making a call to the drive. Such as from the finder, in list view, click on a folder not recently opened. If I click on a same folder as already clicked on, it does not stop it. I assume that is because the operating system is reading from cache and not calling to the hard drive. (on a restart or boot up, any finder opening to the hard drive will stop the rhythmic sound.)

It annoys me because it is a sound I do not understand, I did not call for, and it sounds like an activity that would wear the drive out sooner than necessary.

So what is this or if not known, what are the possibilities or what further tests and observations might I do to narrow the list of possibilities?
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Is the frequency of this activity manageable?

Thanks
harmz

Powerbook 12 1.5GHz G4, Mac OS X (10.4.7), MATSHITADVD-R UJ-835E

Posted on Dec 6, 2006 4:06 AM

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Dec 6, 2006 6:00 AM in response to Gnarlodious

All right.
So what is the activity and what makes the call for it?
If it is an indexing sort of thing, what determines when or it's frequency?

Sleeping the ext hard drives when possible is a poor general management choice.
I have three drives and I have to dismount two for lack of a good management solution. I then have to either open disk utility or turn off then on the drives to remount. I should be able to sleep two on call, and any still revolving sleep with the Powerbook.

I expect this is not possible with Tiger, or am I wrong?

What 3rd party utilities are there to sleep specific drives on call or are particularly good for this and being able to remount from a dock or menu dropped utility?

Thanks
harmz

Dec 6, 2006 7:10 AM in response to Harmz

If your external hard disks are spinning up without you accessing it that is not normal. They should stay in spindown indefinitely while your Mac is awake. There may be some file on the external disk than is being accessed. This is why backup disks should be ejected when not in immediate use.

Some applications (Windows Media Player is one) can't tell the difference between disks their preference or cache files are on. Copying those preferences causes the application to look for any disk its prefs or cache files were copied to. If it a network disk OSX will mount the disk to access the file. The only solution is to physically disconnect the network cable and start the application so it loses the link to it's preference file. It is very convenient for networked userfolders, but yes, some people complain about it. In any case, backup disks should be stored in a separate building from the computer.

Dec 6, 2006 12:26 PM in response to Gnarlodious

You said: "If your external hard disks are spinning up without you accessing it that is not normal."

I may have been misleading.
The activity I am talking about occurs while the external disk is spinning. I am not aware of it ever spinning up with out my making an intentional or a timed call.

But you said in your first post: "It is normal, don't worry about it."

And I am asking, what is this sporadic rhythmic activity?
What causes it?
What is it doing?

Thanks,
Marc

Jan 10, 2007 7:40 PM in response to Harmz

Hi there, I am having the exact same issues with my 200GB external firewire drive! The random disk activity is driving me crazy... At first I thought it is spotlight indexing my drive but after turning spotlight completely off the activity is still there. I am now wondering if reformatting the drive would help...

What format are your drives in? Mine is in FAT32, I wonder if it would help reformatting it to Mac OS Extended?

It is interesting that in your post, you mentioned there are no activity when the drive is empty... that means it is quite likely this activity is indexing the data on the drive... I wonder if there are any utilities out there that can display what's the process that's causing the acitivity...

imac 20" core 2 duo Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Jan 11, 2007 3:52 AM in response to noxid62

What make is your drive and which model? Does FAT 32 mean it is older? Are not all current releases NTFS?

I am always a bit cautious in these discussions when I am not absolutely sure that we are actually talking about the same thing. The decibel level, (volume) of this activity is slight. I cannot hear it if there is much other noise. It is perhaps softer than the sound I hear when the drive goes to sleep and spins down. I have also put sound absorption around the drives and kept them on a least resonating surface.

I too would like to know an application that can monitor the drives activity and report to me what it is doing. A log of the activity would be nice. So far I have not found a way to do that, nor an app. If it is not an indexing activity, it might be a maintenance. I find it interesting that I can always stop it by clicking on a folder that has not been already opened and thus in cache. And that when stopped this way, it does not start right back after showing the folder content. Thinking it is a maintenance I leave it alone more so. Though I still sometimes stop it.

All my drives are HFS+. One was NTFS. I did not realize this as I had two partitions both HFS+. When I could not make a volume a start-up drive, I realized the NTFS at the root. Had to get it empty to reformat. That was a pain.

I have run some FAT32 and had improved performance reformatted to the Mac. If yours is mostly to be used with a mac, I would do that. In the long run, however, this does not seem to have changed the noise I talk about.

Jan 11, 2007 12:35 PM in response to Harmz

My drive is a Seagate Barracuda 200GB
The Enclosure is Pleiades Icecube Firewire 400 with Oxford chipset

I formatted it with FAT32 at first because I was planning on sharing this drive with a Windows machine at a later stage. NTFS is a no-no because Macs can read but cannot write to a NTFS drive.

I am pretty sure that we are talking about the same thing:
- The activity was not caused by anything that I was doing on the mac, appears randomly (or maybe in a regular interval)
- I can also stop the pattern at any time by making a call to a folder on the drive that have not previously been opened.
- The noise level is not as low though, perhaps the sound absorption of my enclosure is bad (or none at all), that's why its annoying me so much.

Any tips on how to add sound absorption around the drive?

imac 20" core 2 duo Mac OS X (10.4.8)

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