I have noticed that when I try to organize my image collection, and place images in different albums, they do not move out of my Camera Roll, but they are copied to the album selected. I want to move these photos, not copy them, how is this done?
Thanks
iPhone 6s Plus, iOS 9.2.1
I totally understand what you are saying. It's so frustrating! I recently switched to iPhone from Samsung. With the Samsung phone, you could do exactly what you are asking. Move photos from your camera roll, into an album, and the photos would remove themselves from the camera roll. I miss that!!!
Amsena wrote:
Yea, well, the feedback service is also there for a purpose but I don't see it working either.
How do you know it’s not working?
It sends your suggestions to Apple. It does not mean you will receive a response (this is noted when you send feedback) or you suggestion will get implemented.
I am aware of that. But if thousands of users request a feature for, lets say, 3 years? Something is clearly wrong with the feedback service or the way Apple manages the feedback its users provide.
Amsena wrote:
I am aware of that. But it thousands of users request a feature for, lets say, 3 years? Something is clearly wrong with the feedback service or the way Apple manages the feedback its users provide.
??? How is it wrong?
Just because some/many/all request something, does not mean it is/can/should be implemented.
??? How is it wrong?
Just because some/many/all request something, does not mean it is/can/should be implemented.
Of course it does. That's what feedback is all about.
Clearly the majority of users does not send feedback. So we cannot speak about a majority in apple users. But. There are other ways to measure this. And Im gonna assume now, not blindly, based on the hundreds of threads, articles, and forums that pop up when you search "move photos from camera roll" that this feature has been requested multiple times and along a very extensive frame of time. Apple has ignored these repeated feedbacks, systematically along the years.
So much has been the claim for this feature that apps have been created to achieve this. Do you really think that developers would invest their time and resources into creating an app that would not be profitable, or would no be used by many? And its not even one guy that has seen this trend, many many developers have seen it, and so they are many apps out there promising to do this.
The flaw in the design is then clear. Its not subject to opinions. Some people suffer it more than others. Some really dont care about organization, some dont use images that much. But its there.
The real question here is, is it profitable? How expensive it is? What changes need to be made in IOS to allow this?
If many request something (with good reason), it should be implemented. It definitely can be. Will it? Not always, but it should.
Amsena wrote:
You cannot simply say "I don't think so". You have to give reasons, otherwise its not valid.
Nonsense. My opinion is just as valid as yours. You have an opinion that the Camera Roll is like an inbox. That's not an objective fact but rather your personal interpretation of the feature. My view is different. If you said you thought that red was the most beautiful color in the world and I said, no, I didn't agree, would you demand a reason?
I also went on to say that, even if we agreed that the Camera Roll was like an inbox, not everyone uses their inbox the way you find "logical".
Amsena wrote:
The flaw in the design is then clear. Its not subject to opinions. Some people suffer it more than others. Some really dont care about organization, some dont use images that much. But its there.
What you just can't seem to grasp is that, just because you don't like the way it works, doesn't mean it's a flaw or that it doesn't work for some people. Just because other people organize things in ways you would not find useful doesn't mean it's not a form of organization. You are absolutely entitled to your opinion. Your insistence that your opinion is a fact that can't be argued with is tiresome.
??? How is it wrong?
Just because some/many/all request something, does not mean it is/can/should be implemented.
Of course it does. That's what feedback is all about.
Feedback is about, "Thanks for letting us know what you think. We shall take it under consideration".
That is all it is.
There are other ways to measure this. And Im gonna assume now, not blindly, based on the hundreds of threads, articles, and forums that pop up when you search "move photos from camera roll" that this feature has been requested multiple times and along a very extensive frame of time. Apple has ignored these repeated feedbacks, systematically along the years.
You mean it has not been implemented.
Feedback has not been ignored.
??? How is it wrong?
Just because some/many/all request something, does not mean it is/can/should be implemented.
Of course it does. That's what feedback is all about.
There are over 1 billion iOS devices in use. Just because a few hundred or a few thousand want a feature, it does not mean that it should be implemented. Maybe a much larger number like it the way it is, but they don't send feedback because it works the way they want it to. And I doubt more than a few hundred have even thought about it.
In the world of computer science this is an example of the sort vs search tradeoff. To sort you do work upfront to organize your content so you can find something quickly. In a search algorithm you do no work upfront, and instead do the work when you are looking for something. Both are valid approaches. Apple has chosen to implement the search paradigm instead of sort. It has the huge advantage that it saves considerable storage, and allows the same item to appear in multiple collections, while only having to exist once. And it is ideal for the 99% of people who don't go to the trouble of sorting. Apple also gives you automatic categorization (filtering) by date and location, so you can quickly find any image that you need.
If you want something different don't use Apple's photo management. There are plenty of others that work well with iOS. I use upthere.com and Google Photos, for example. They both have the advantage that they can work with photos from multiple sources, such as my DSLR and my iPhone. You can also use dropbox and box.com. Or shutterfly.
Regarding your analogy to a mail inbox, I keep all of my mail in my inbox. When I need to find something I use the very powerful search capabilities built into my email client. I have only a couple of thousand messages, but I have an associate with over 25,000. 20 years ago I sorted my mail, but that was tedious, and it had the serious disadvantage that I would have to choose a folder (category) for each message; most messages could match 2 or more categories, so which should I use?
Another example is gmail. All of your messages are in common storage called, amazingly, "all mail". While you can "move" a message to a folder, it isn't really a move; it just creates a pointer to the message in "all mail" (or "camera roll"). And the same message can be in more than one folder. Just like Apple Photos.
If this is totally unacceptable to you get a device that works the way you want it to. Except there aren't any. Android phones use Google Photos, which works the same way as Apple Photos. Pretty much every modern photo management app for computers works the same way also.
You mean it has not been implemented.
Feedback has not been ignored.
Like I said, If many request something (with good reason), it should be implemented. It definitely can be. Will it? Not always, but it should.
If its not implemented, it has been ignored.
"I recommend you do this"
Proceeds not as recommended.
What do you think this means? The recommendation has been ignored, plain and simple.
And I doubt more than a few hundred have even thought about it.
You doubt more than a few hundred even thought about it?! What? From where you get that impression? Based on what? Few hundred? Have you counted? How do you know what people think? Did you make a survey?
This is not about wanting a feature. This is about fixing a flaw.
Apple also gives you automatic categorization (filtering) by date and location, so you can quickly find any image that you need.
You can’t at all find an image based on date. The chronological order the Camera Roll provides is most basic form of organization and loses strength when your collection starts to grow and time starts passing by. After 1 or 2 years of owning a phone you will not find photos efficiently just by having a vague idea of when you took it/saved it/screenshoted it.
It has the huge advantage that it saves considerable storage
The option Apple has chosen that’s not save more space than the one people request. In fact, there would be no need for shortcuts, there would only be one copy of that photo and that would be it. Photo managing would be way easier if you had the actual photo in albums. You could delete an entire album and that would be it, instead of having to go back to Camara Roll, and find your photos one by one. An Album can photos from an extended timeline, don't you realize?
I would have to choose a folder (category) for each message; most messages could match 2 or more categories, so which should I use?
No, you don’t create a folder for each specific message; the whole idea of folders and categories is to go narrowing down the variables. From individual messages to subfolders to main folders, each of these levels has decreasing items. 1000 mails, 10 sub folders, 3 main folders.
If you need a message in two folders, you are making something wrong in your category naming. But you can always duplicate the message or copy to x folder.
When I need to find something I use the very powerful search capabilities built into my email client.
Exactly, mail inbox permits that form of organization because it compensates with powerful search capabilities. Image if you did not have those. Wouldn’t it be tedious to find your email based on chronological order alone? That’s what the Camera Roll is.
Pretty much every modern photo management app for computers works the same way also.
Overstatement to say the least.
If I put the general controversy aside, I have installed this Utiful app and for me it does the job. With it I can move photos out of the Camera Roll and organize them into folders. So the photos get really moved out of the Camera Roll, I got my Camera Roll quite clean in the meantime. I can also sort the photos as I like, which was also important to me. There's no tagging feature in the app however but I contacted the developer and was ensured that it's on their backlog. So far so good, I now finally have a solution to the iPhone photo organization problem raised here that applies to me in the same severity as for Amsena.
LeoLoewe wrote:
If I put the general controversy aside, I have installed this Utiful app and for me it does the job. With it I can move photos out of the Camera Roll and organize them into folders. So the photos get really moved out of the Camera Roll,
So how do you then get these stored on your computer so when your phone needs to be restored, you still have the photos?
I can easily export folders out of Utiful to my computer, over AirDrop or over iTunes. I hope they'll add a Dropbox sync though, would make things easier for me. Does this answer your question? Or do you mean what happens when you upgrade your phone? This I know because I recently upgraded to iPhone 7. The Utiful app and all photos (& videos) are obviously part of the iTunes backup because when I restored the iTunes backup of the old phone onto the iPhone 7, Utiful looked just the same as on the old phone and all photos were in the respective folders.
LeoLoewe wrote:
I can easily export folders out of Utiful to my computer, over AirDrop or over iTunes.
Why not simply sync the photos from your iPhone to your computer and have them deleted from the camera roll automatically? All in 1 step.
Then they sync back to the iPhone using iTunes.
Then you wont need a 3rd party utility and have to do several more unneeded steps.
LorLuga wrote:
I have 20,000 photos on my iPad and I need to get them into folders on my iPad and out of camera roll.
What are you gonna do when your iPad crashes and you need to restore it?
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