Will Aperture 3.6 work in Mac OS Sierra?

Fellow Aperture Users

Following on from my previous post - I have conducted a series of tests on various Macs

Before I start, I must make it clear that I totally accept that many users are having problems with 10.12 Sierra

Like most of you I really like my workflow in Aperture and would like to continue to use it

As such, I am keen that we can report back toApple and hope they are in a position to fix Aperture issues but at an OS level

Tests conducted:

Thumbnails upside down in List view

Curves Adjustment and Straighten - not visible in export

Brush Adjustment - off by one pixel

Link to Plug-In menu not working

Keyboard shortcut ‘f’ (for fullscreen) causes crash

Keyboard shortcut ‘w’ (Inspector - Next Tab) causes crash

Test procedure

External Drive - Firewire 800

Clean install of MacOS 10.12 - customer release

Clean install of Aperture 3.6

Import of JPEG and Nikon Raw Images to a new Library - Images are Managed

Test machines:

The above Hard Disk was used a start-up drive on the following machines - with a Thunderbolt to Firewire adaptor as needed

MacPro 2012 - 64 Gb RAM

MacPro 2012 - 48 Gb RAM

MacPro 2010 -20 Gb RAM

MacPro 2010 -16 Gb RAM

Mac Mini Server Mid 2011 - 8Gb RAM

Mac Mini Late 2014 - 8 Gb RAM

MacBook Pro 17” Early 2011 - 16 Gb RAM

MacBook Pro 15” Early 2011 - 8 Gb RAM

MacBook Air Mid 2013 - 4 Gb RAM

MacBook Pro 15” Late 2014 - 8 Gb RAM

My test results are as follows - and were identical in all of the above tests

Thumbnails upside down in List view - Issue found

Curves Adjustment and Straighten - not visible in export - Issue not found

Brush Adjustment - off by one pixel - Issue not found

Link to Plug-In menu not working - Issue not found

Keyboard shortcut ‘f’ (for fullscreen) causes crash - Issue not found

Keyboard shortcut ‘w’ (Inspector - Next Tab) causes crash - Issue not found

Conclusion

So - clearly, there is an issue here and I am happy to investigate further

Either my test was incorrect - or there is another issue with users who are experiencing the problems

Again - I must stress that I am aware that some Users are having issues that make Aperture unusable

But my tests have not been able to reproduce them.

Please let me have more detail of the exact actions in Aperture that cause the issue and I will retest

Hope this helps

Brian

Thank you, very helpful and complete.

I also get the "Internal Error" and must crash when I try to access "Info". Do you have the same experience?

Thanks for doing these tests. If I made available a minimal library that crashes Aperture for me, would you be willing to try your tests with it?

Thanks Brian for your efforts. They are appreciated. I realize that you might not know the answer to this question but I see that you say your edits did not transfer from Aperture to LR but I was wondering if I just exported all of my edited aperture files with the latest version to a separate folder then imported that folder into LR might that not work? Unlike you I don't care to re edit all of my photos so I'm thinking that this might be a way around the issue. My plan that I've been thinking about for months is to just save my best stuff and delete the rest. I always do this at the end of the year anyway because I make dvd for friends and family of my best photos of the year anyway and I would save all of those. I have a file of flagged photos that I draw from. You are obviously more knowledgeable about this than I. Please let me know what you think. Plus I see from your posts that there are issues with sierra so I"m going to have to do something soon to end my relationship with Aperture.

Thank you for taking the time. Sounds like its still awkward which is such a shame.

agoodmanwa

I tested changing tabs with the 'w' shortcut and did not experience any issues

Brian

Proggie

If you upload a test library to say 'Dropbox' and give me access - I will test as you indicate

Best regards

Brian

Ron

Perhaps you have misunderstood. I did not do any tests involving Lightroom - so regrettably, I cannot assist

Brian

All of these responses are helpful, and it seems it really matters which Mac you are using for the varied successes and failures. I asked earlier, but have not seen if anyone has tested Sierra and Aperture on a

- Macbook Pro 15" (Retina, Mid 2012)

- Intel Core i7, Processor Speed: 2.6 GHz

- Intel HD Graphics 4000; NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M

[I'm not sure which of the above specs are most relevant and might identify a common issue among users)

Mmm I'm waiting for next month if anyone has better news... I might even switch right now from El Capitan where I still work (for what I do) but if it doesn't work in 10.12 is a deal breaker for me - eventually if there's really no other solution, within Christmas I might move to Capture One, more in line with the idea I have of editing.

PS this is my configuration

Ron, Yes you can export your files to jpeg or tiff to preserve the edits, but if you just redo your previews as unlimited high quality, those are in fact highly quality jpegs that retain your Aperture edits. These can be imported into LR and you can either pair(stack) or leave unpaired with the original file. They show up with part of their name Aperture_previews.

I rarely revisit a picture more than 6 months old. First, I shoot everything in RAW format. Typically, once I am done working(editing) on a particular set of pictures, I export the keepers as high resolution jpegs and upload those to an online site(zenfolio) for people to view. What I have experienced thus far is if for some reason I need to reedit one of those pictures, it is much easier to simply reedit in LR because the quality of LR edits is much better than Aperture.

Recently I have started a major project of creating print albums of pictures that span from 2001-16. Each album will be a major theme, like an important family vacation, or sequential pictures of each grand child and etc. As I was looking at the various collections of pictures, I discovered that my editing style had drifted considerably over the years and this variation did not look good in a printed collection of pictures. The only way I could address this issue was to reedit them to a most consistent style.

When I evaluated Capture One 9 pro, I discovered that it would not import tiff files. Since many of my critical edits were tiff, this issue was a fatal flaw to Capture One as a legacy retention application. This pushed me toward LR, but as I began to explore LR functionality during the free trial period, I really began to understand how much better it was than Aperture. I am very thankful that I started my transition in Sept of 2015 and just finished the final steps in the past week of having both LR and Aperture pointing to the same original files so when Aperture is completely dead, I will still be able to view and work on all of the pictures, if need be. BUT, over the past year any new pictures have never touched Aperture, thus forcing myself to learn a LR workflow.

Thanks very much. I didn't understand what you meant by redoing previews as unlimited high quality but I'm just glad that I can export my edited saved photos to LR. I have only used LR in a very minor fashion so it will be mostly new to me I have version five and am planning to get version 6 soon I'm guessing that as I get working with the importing of my aperture photos that what you are saying will be clearer to me. Thanks Again

Ron

Hi Brian,

Here's a library with one image that crashes for me going in/out of full-screen: 32.6MB zip file

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/98285/crashing.aplibrary.zip

If it's a RAW image can you have Aperture update the master? (It's a menu option that has Aperture use newer image processing on older RAW images) Then retry ...