Swimming workout miscounts laps and distance

HI there ...


I have the new Apple Watch Series 2. I swim laps in our indoor community pool twice a week, and I've used the new Watch while swimming twice now. Both times the Watch gets the laps and distance wrong. Here is some more detail:


Our community pool is 25 yards long - we double-checked this by measuring it ourselves. I use the Pool Swim workout.


The first time I used the Watch, I swam 44 laps, which is 1100 yards. The workout app reported that I had done 62 laps, and 1550 yards.


The second time (today), I swam 50 laps, which is 1250 yards. The workout app reported that I had done 80 laps and 2000 yards.


I always swim the same way - 1 lap breast stroke, 2 laps side stroke, 1 lap back stroke. Then I repeat. I do not flip turn.


Any ideas or help greatly appreciated.

Posted on Sep 26, 2016 5:37 AM

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Posted on Oct 28, 2016 1:36 PM

I'm sorry I didn't get back to this sooner. My issue has been resolved, and now the Watch tracks my swims perfectly. I did several tests at Apple Support's suggestions, and it ended up being the way I was doing my backstrokes. For whatever reason, I was doing them by stroking both arms back at the same time, instead of one after the other. Now that I do the latter, I've had perfect counts every time.


Honestly, I really advise anyone with issues to get with Apple Support. They are patient and helpful, and very interested in getting swimming issues investigated. They want people to have successful experiences.

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Oct 28, 2016 1:36 PM in response to RoseMJ

I'm sorry I didn't get back to this sooner. My issue has been resolved, and now the Watch tracks my swims perfectly. I did several tests at Apple Support's suggestions, and it ended up being the way I was doing my backstrokes. For whatever reason, I was doing them by stroking both arms back at the same time, instead of one after the other. Now that I do the latter, I've had perfect counts every time.


Honestly, I really advise anyone with issues to get with Apple Support. They are patient and helpful, and very interested in getting swimming issues investigated. They want people to have successful experiences.

Oct 3, 2016 9:14 AM in response to Michelinas

Update: With more swimming, the lap count seems to get more accurate but still off. I kept reading online that the new watch had been tested by many swimmers, and they say that the lap count has been very accurate. When I look at my daily swim results, something was not adding up. The calorie count seemed good and comparable to the Speedo Fit app (which I used before the new watch). It was the lap count and the total yards for each swim session that was always wrong. So yesterday, I changed the pool length to be equal to a full lap length of a pool swim (the sum of the two lengths) -- finally, the lap count and total yards was correct by the end of my swim session. The lap count was off a little in between my short resting periods, but correct at the end. The total calories was roughly the same as before, which implies that the watch does not rely on either the lap count or yards for that calculation. Hope this helps!

Oct 28, 2016 7:36 AM in response to RoseMJ

Hi RoseMJ,


In my experience the key to getting the watch to correctly track length, lap and distance regardless of stroke type is to make a firm push off the wall when you turn. It doesn't matter whether you do open turns or flip turns, but it's important to make a distinct push and glide motion at the turn. It's usually a combination of the watch's gyroscope and accelerometer hardware that decides you've made a turn. If your turns don't register a distinct change of direction, the length, lap and distance numbers start to lose accuracy (for me anyway).


On a related note I've found the stroke detection of the swim workout to be pretty good. I swim all four major strokes; free, back, breast and fly. I just wish the app would show me the stroke type for a given length / lap instead of "mixed".


-Paul

Sep 27, 2016 11:02 AM in response to RoseMJ

My understanding is that if you are doing any other stroke beside freestyle, you will get an inaccurate reading. Just like if you did a kick set, it won't even pick up the yardage as you are not moving your arm.


If you found any additional information when talking to support, please let the community know! I am sure a lot of swimmers (like me) would love to know.


Happy Swimming!

Oct 3, 2016 1:42 PM in response to rjdude

Hi rjdude, and thanks for your update. I will have to try that after a couple of other tests I'm doing. Like you, I think my calorie count is correct, if not the laps and the distance. I have a question for you. Apparently the touch screen is locked as soon as the Pool Swim workout is started. But I'm able to touch it and bring up the display. Can you? I realized today that maybe I shouldn't be able to get a reaction when touching it, and it could very well be the problem.


I have a little update too. I had a follow up call from Apple Support today, who had some further questions for me. One question was about the different stroke types I do, and they asked if I would try 10 laps of one stroke type to see if that made a difference. The other question was about the type of turns I do, which are stop and turn. I asked him to find out about the touch screen thing. That was it, and he's going to get back to me on Wednesday or Thursday. I'll update when they do. They are pretty interested in this case.

Jul 5, 2017 7:18 AM in response to RoseMJ

I did my first swim workout today and for the first 3-5 laps I found that the watch wasn't counting laps properly. However, after a few laps I noticed that each time I did a turn it started recognizing the turns correctly and I believe I ended-up with the correct number of lap counts at the end of the workout.


Here are some assumptions for the initial miscounting:


1) Since this was the first swim, maybe the watch needs some calibration time to assess my stroke type, stroke length, etc. plus how I turn to determine the proper lap count. Around lap 10 I started looking at the watch at the end of every lap and it was counting laps correctly, ended-up doing about 51 and the total length tracked at the end seems about right for the pool length and my usual average time to cover a lap, so I think while it was showing incorrect laps at the beginning, it seems to have corrected / adjusted some time during the workout.


2) During the first laps I glided a lot as I was doing fairly strong strokes (i.e., covered length of pool with less strokes), so I wonder if the watch has a harder time determining distance covered as I was doing less strokes than what would be expected for the pool length (since the watch doesn't use GPS to determine distance when doing a pool workout).


3) Not sure how Apple counts distance covered or how they determine if a lap has been completed. I would assume some element of acceleration, velocity is determined using the watch's sensors and then they probably make assumptions based on your height, weight, gender to determine how much distance you covered based on those parameters (average displacement for a stroke, length of stroke, number of strokes, etc.). For pool counts they are probably comparing their assumption of distance covered with a detection of change in direction, or the fact that you might have stopped momentarily as you turn to a new lap. So, in other words, there are a lot of assumptions going into those calculations and I wouldn't expect them to be completely accurate, but to stay relatively in the ballpark of the actual number of laps, calories used, etc.


I will have to try again later this week to see how the watch behaves and if it needs that initial calibration for the initial laps.

Sep 27, 2016 2:53 PM in response to Michelinas

I think the swim app is supposed to deal with any strokes, plus my problem is that it's counting too many laps. Maybe it is somewhat related to strokes, who knows.


But I did get with Apple Support, and they took the problem seriously. They took a lot of diagnostic information from my phone/watch, and they are going to analyze it and get back to me. I'll definitely add anything I find out here. Especially if it's something that can help other swimmers! 🙂

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