iOS 10 using WiFi Networks without Internet Access

That's disappointing. Just wait until there is some feature that you all of a sudden can't use, and then come back here and read your posted reply. Then tell me what you think.

I'm still hoping someone else comes up with a solution. Otherwise, we're dropping iPad's corporate-wide and moving back to Androids. We won't be a blip to Apple, but word gets around our industry pretty quickly...

You could do a forced reboot. The choice would be force quitting 50 apps or a forced reboot.

I don't think these restart the app, but I almost sure the forced restart would not.

Re-boot ipad.

Press and hold the Sleep/Wake button until a red slider appears, then drag the slider. Then press and hold the Sleep/Wake button until the Apple logo appears.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201559

force power down if the above give you trouble.

Hold down both the Sleep/Wake button and the Home button. Ten seconds or more. Hold until the Apple logo appears.

more details on re-booting:

http://ipad.about.com/od/iPad_Guide/ss/How-To-Reboot-Your-iPad-Power-Off.htm

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Hi. Are you using the ad-hoc network or internet sharing method, as described here Adhoc Networks: Create a Network vs. Internet Sharing? And what problem do you have when the iPad tries to connect to the network? I've read that it may take a little time to get connected. Does it reject the connection because there's no internet, or display the mysterious captive.apple.com page?

I (and others, I'm sure), appreciate everyone who is trying to help. That said, several of you are headed down the wrong path because you're making the assumption that this is user error.

I haven't seen anyone suggest this at all. I think the tone is: your tens of thousands of iPad users need a niche feature or behaviour that is simply not available in iOS as currently deployed. Apple is known to be somewhat fanatical about security. One can debate endlessly whether this is about security or not.

What I'd like to see is an option in iOS (not in any version yet, as of 11.0.3) that would allow me to force a wifi connection to a network, even if it doesn't have a real internet connection. If this was available, then I'd have no problems connecting every time.

Then you would have to ask Apple for and about this. If you have access to an industry group of some sort, maybe have them approach Apple directly. Maybe ask Roland to ask Apple.

Dialogs within this community are strictly about what is in place, not what is possible or desired.

Feedback for Apple goes here >>> http://www.apple.com/feedback/

I was having a similar problem with the Kingston MLWG3 which is a portable network drive and WiFi router. There were two issues.

1. With iOS 10.x it will tell you "No Internet Connection" in yellow text when the network you are connected to does indeed not go out to the internet but also unlike versions prior to 9.x and prior it will not show the Wi-Fi icon in place of the wireless carrier connection type. I seems it will still use your carrier data connection type (G3, G4, LET, etc) which is actually a good thing. In 9.x and prior you could not get internet if your Wi-Fi was not connected to a network with internet. However, you will see that are connected to that network as you can see in Setting > Wi-Fi there will be a blue checkmark next to it. This should now be the absolute indication that you are connected, not the Wi-Fi icon. Since Apple changed the way this is presented in 10.x it confuses users.

2. The connection app had been cached in the iPhone's RAM or something. Even after powering up and down and force quitting (home button twice and swipe up) the app it was still cached. I had to force quitting every instance of app that was running, it seemed like 50 and some were apps I had not opened for weeks. Only then would my app that uses the local connection see my drive.

However, with the prior generation of product, the MLWG2 if I connect to it I get the Wi-Fi icon, no "No Internet Connection" in yellow text, and my apps can see the device. But if I switch over to an app that uses internet and try to access it I get a Server Not Found error you would see when your internet connection is down.

Hey Everyone,

I just wanted to let you all know that I solved this issue. I was having the same problem. I use my old airport extreme base station to create a closed network with no internet connection to run my Behringer X32 Rack audio console. Up until the ios 10 updates, it worked flawlessly. I too saw the "No Internet Connection" in yellow/orange and couldn't consistently connect to my board.

I took the router, plugged it into my laptop via ethernet and opened Airport Utility. Once Airport Utility recognized my router, it showed a few concerns in red/orange. I clicked each of the notifications...

the DNS, No Internet Connection and No Ethernet Connection and checked off "Ignore" from the drop down menu.

Once the router reconciled these issues with Airport Utility, I unplugged and set my router back up to my X32. My iPad now connects like it used to in ios9. NO PROBLEMS. I'm assuming that the ios devices saw no internet connection from the base station and wouldn't connect. Once the router was told that it was ok to operate without an internet connection, the devices connect with no issues.

I hope this helps all who were stuck like me.

@sgclef : is there any way to do that without a router? (i'm trying to use directly my macbook OS 10.11.6 to create the network.)

this is really annoying, using it also for performance, i specifically bought an ipad because my old android device didn't see the ad-hoc network on my mac. grnnn.

No because my mac is not connected to the internet. and i specifically don't want any of them to be connected to the internet. i only want my Ipad and my Macbook to communicate with each other (using osc) through an ad-hoc network. Just like the person who posted this thread in the first place, and for similar reasons (not wanting internet to mess with my devices during performance nor wanting to rely on a classic wifi connection which would mean huge risk of instability) .

(My ipad being on ios 10 too, i'm having the same trouble as he does...)

That's all fine, but to resolve the problem you will have to do some testing. You first test be to do something that is known to work. As a test, connect your mac to the internet and see if you can reach the internet from the ipad. The second thing is to connect to some app on the laptop. I suggest file sharing. Download some app and see if you can access the laptop from the ipad.

You setup isn't like the others. They were using a router. Your are not. It could be the laptop is sending out not connected to the internet like the router was.

R

I found this http://www.digitalyachtamerica.com/index.php/en/support/support-manuals/support- technotes?download=458:tech-00065-2016-c… interesting document which says that the default IP address for an ad-hoc network may no longer be acceptable to iOS 10. Do you know which address range your network is using?

Thanks for your interest !

@rccharles: Right now I can't test the same procedure with my laptop staying connected to the internet, because i don't have an ethernet port (nor a thunderbolt/ethernet adapter. **** you, new macbooks, for i shall get an adaptater. I'll do it just for the sake of trying. ) and the "creating a network" option does disconnect my computer from internet.

@Diana Mccall :i'm using the "create a network" option. It automatically end up rejecting the network because there's no connection (same as the screen capture of the initial post).

as for the internet sharing option i'm discovering it! but it's not useful to me as it can't be shared (again) by wifi (which is the osc's way of transmitting). i really need an ad-hoc wifi connection.

As for the range : my Macbook network information states :" Wi-Fi possède l’adresse IP auto-assignée 169.254.150.227 et ne sera pas en mesure d’accéder à Internet." translated as "Wi-fi has the auto-assigned IP address 169.254.150.227 and won't be able to connect to Internet"

by the way I've tried the trick described upper, by setting a a static id with my macbook IP as IP and routeur (why not?) on the ipad, and oddly enough the ipad then does accept the connexion and quits quitting it by stating "there is no internet connection" but osc is not working anyway.

so either i'm doing something wrong (i only understand network very basic principles, don't really have a good knowledge of it i admit), either it just fools the ipad but doesn't transmit anything anyway...

I (and others, I'm sure), appreciate everyone who is trying to help. That said, several of you are headed down the wrong path because you're making the assumption that this is user error. It's not. I, and others in this industry, have the same problem. To add a bit more detail to this thread, I'll explain.

In the audio and theater industries, we use a large variety of audio devices for our production. Most of these generate their own wifi network. Good examples this are X-Air series of wifi mixers from Behringer, or Mackie mixers, PreSonus, Allen and Heath, and more. Specific devices generate their own wifi network, which is then used by a mobile app connected to that network. The actual wifi network is not connected to the internet; it's just a local network for use by these apps. For example, I use several mobile apps to access one of my mixers. On Android (all versions) there are no problems, because I can connect to a wifi networks and Android doesn't care whether or not there is actual internet access from that network. However, since iOS 10+, Apple iOS DOES seem to care. It now just spins away trying to connect to the network , expecting to see internet access. Since there never is internet, Apple never allows it to connect.

One of the other posters offered a workaround (which is valid, by the way) of creating a "fake" wifi network with the same name, but which does have internet access. Then, connecting to it from an iDevice will succeed, and later attempts to connect will be fine (the network will be "remembered"). This is rather obtuse for a lot of folks, though. Imagine having to carry around a small wifi router with me to each gig, just to have to "fake" the client's network, get my mobile apps connected, then switch it all back. It's not only time-consuming, but really annoying. 🙂

What I'd like to see is an option in iOS (not in any version yet, as of 11.0.3) that would allow me to force a wifi connection to a network, even if it doesn't have a real internet connection. If this was available, then I'd have no problems connecting every time.

Roland (maker of some very high-end, expensive mixers) gets around this because their wifi network is identified as a "device" rather than an actual network. Connecting to their mixer is only a matter of answering "ok" to the question about connecting to that device, even without an internet, and then I'm good. I'd be happy to tell Behringer, A&H, PreSonus, Mackie, etc., to do the same thing, but they literally might not have the required hardware or firmware in their devices to do this. There are tens of thousands of these devices in use all over the world.

If anyone has any ideas on how to solve this problem (static addresses don't matter/work), or if Apple would be interested in adding the capability I'd mention above, then I'd be really, really, appreciative. 🙂

The best workaround I've come up with so far is to use a small travel router by TP-Link. I create a new network with the name of the mixer I want to connect with, give it no password, and then have my iPhone/iPad connect to that network. Once connected, I shut off the travel router, connect to the real wifi device, and I'm good. I just wish I didn't have to do this to get around this new "feature" in iOS 10+.

Thanks,

Bruce

That's disappointing. Just wait until there is some feature that you all of a sudden can't use, and then come back here and read your posted reply. Then tell me what you think.

Seriously?

If such a situation comes up, I would appreciate being guided to a better place to pursue a solution.

You told us what you would like to see. Nobody here can do this. You did not seem to understand what this community is for by making that "request"

Apple has made it very clear. They do not monitor this community for the sake of finding issues to resolve. That is what the Feedback link I provided is for.

I gave you genuine options to possibly resolve your industry's issue and your feelings are hurt?

Yeah "seriously." Speaking of tone, your comment of "your tens of thousands of iPad users need a niche feature or behaviour that is simply not available in iOS as currently deployed" had enough tone in that I didn't find your opinion helpful. I'm trying to add some context to this question (the OP's original question) and you start out with marginalizing the "tens of thousands" who might be impacted. I was doing, in fact, exactly what you recommended: directing people to a better resolution. Your comment wasn't helpful at all. However, for the sake of not feeding the trolls, I'll just bow out of the convo. Sorry to see that this thread is at a dead end...

I am in the same predicament. However, the iPad seems to connect to the network anyway even though you get the no internet, or the login page. I just ignore that and close the screen. My iPad is able to connect to the XR12 device.