Remove Genieo

My Macbook, dating from late 2008 or sometime in 2009, running Snow Leopard (10.6.8) with 8 GB, Firefox and so on, has recently started being rather slow and balky, and the rolling beachball, which was gone for some time, is back. I ran ClamXav, apparently the only app I can use with my antiquated software to find infected files. It brought up several that all are related to the Genieo trojan: Adobeflashplayerins, FMP.dmg, FMP1.dmg, Application.app, Payload.bundle, Reset search.app.

I have examined the Adware Removal Guide for Genieo at the Safe Mac, but it is daunting, because I would have to remove the files manually – something that the guide seems to indicate is fraught with pitfalls, even if a person follows the instructions very, very carefully. In addition, some messages I've read on this subject indicated that doing that kind of removal doesn't always work.

My question obviously pertains to those points, but I have another. I'm deep into an editing job, right now, but thought I would update to El Capitan and updated versions of whatever I can get for my other software, as soon as I can. (Yes, I know that I can't update Microsoft Office unless I am willing to pay for the latest version, something that may be a little silly for a computer as old as mine.) I just can't take that much time at present, so my main question is, if I'm willing and able to put up with the annoyances I'm experiencing until then, 1) will my computer still be fine, and 2) will I be able to get rid of the Genieo garbage more easily with something like Malwarebytes, once I have a version of Mac OS that is compatile with it?

By the way, I did run Etrecheck, and it didn't pick up Genieo or any other menace.

Thank you for your help.

jenny


MacBook, Mac OS X (10.6.8)

Posted on Apr 13, 2017 11:26 AM

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Apr 14, 2017 8:47 PM in response to jennywren1420

Try EtreCheck

<https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-6174> or <https://etrecheck.com>


I'm fairly sure it runs on Snow Leopard, and it has the ability to detect some adware and remove it. Or I should say, it will highlight what it thinks is adware, and give you a "[Remove Adware]" button to click. If EtreCheck knows about Genieo, it might make life simpler.


NOTE: My Wife got Genieo a few years ago. She go it because Genieo put up web advertisement banner with a big green DOWNLOAD, which happened to appear on a page where my Wife was trying to download someting. The Genieo add looked like what you were suppose to click to get the software she wanted. Of course it wasn't the software she wanted. It took a very fast Mac and made if crawl, so I understand your desire to get rid of it.

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Apr 15, 2017 5:41 PM in response to jennywren1420

Check to make sure your applications are compatible. PowerPC applications are no longer supported after 10.6.


Application Compatibility


Applications Compatibility (2)


El Capitan 10.11 Compatibility information



Also check to make sure there is a compatible driver for your printer.


Do a backup before installing, preferable 2 backups on 2 different drives.

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Apr 14, 2017 9:20 AM in response to Klaus1

Thank you very much, Klaus 1, but The Safe Mac is the place I mentioned that has such daunting instructions for manual removal of the adware Genieo. As far as I know there is no way for someone whose computer has Snow Leopard (OS 10.6.8) to remove it, except doing it manually. Malawarebytes, which could do the job, requires a more advanced version of the Mac OS than Snow Leopard. (As I say, below, I plan to go up to El Capitan as soon as I have the time to do that.)


I expect that I could try doing the manual removal, but there are a lot of warnings about what could happen if I do it wrong, and some people have said that even if it's done right, it could be ineffective, or even harm the functioning of the Mac. So if there is some other way for me to remove the adware without doing it manually, that would be great, but I get the impression that Snow Leopard is just too old for any reliable method of removing malward. Therefore, I think my more important question was whether it was safe for me just let Genieo sit on my computer until I have the time to upgrade the Mac (OS, some office suite, browser and anything else that need to be updated). If it is safe, I'll just wait until I can do what I need to do. That is long overdue, but it couldn't be helped.

Thank you again. I shall certainly use your suggestion, once I've upgraded my software.

jenny

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Apr 14, 2017 9:27 AM in response to BobHarris

Thanks to you, too, Bob Harris, but as I told Klaus 1, this software can't be used with Snow Leopard (OS 10.6.8) because that version of the Mac OS is too old. I do appreciate your having made the effort to reach out to me, though, and I plan to use Malwarebytes as soon as I am able to get the time to update all of my software. Meanwhile, though I'm contemplating possibly using the manual removal method suggested at the site where Malwarebytes is (The Safe Mac), it looks as though there are numerous things that could go wrong, so if I can get away with biding my time for a bit, that is what I'll do.

I had hoped that there was some other way to remove Genieo without having to update right away, but I guess there isn't any.

Thanks again,

jenny


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Apr 15, 2017 8:21 AM in response to BobHarris

Thank you, Bob Harris. I tried EtreCheck before – first, the application, which found just about nothing but seemed to think that I'd need more a advanced Mac OS version to be able to do anything, and then the other file, which did pick up Genieo and gave a "remove" link but that didn't work with Snow Leopard. (It requires 10.8, at the least.) In fact, I suspect that apart from finding some problems and remarking on the state of my Mac ("Excellent"), EtreCheck, too, now requires a more advanced version of Mac OS to be truly helpful.

As for Malwarebytes, that doesn't work with anything older than 10.9. Clearly, I shall have to go on, limping along, until I have time to upgrade to El Capitan, or I'll have to stop what I'm doing and upgrade all my software. I may not be able to take that much time from my work schedule.

I really appreciate your caring about this. And by the way, things seem to be a little less poky since I inadvertently quarantined two files with ClamXav: FMP.dmg and FMP-1.dmg, neither of which I had opened. Apparently, they are installers having something to do with File Maker Pro – which I haven't used since before I got this computer. I was afraid to delete them, but can I assume that I may do that now?

Thank you again. I hope to be able to do all my upgrading quite soon and won't have to be bothering anyone about this matter in the future.

Best,

jenny

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Apr 17, 2017 4:30 PM in response to jennywren1420

Malwarebytes will definitely remove any installed components of Genieo, but as you point out, it won't work on Snow Leopard. However, I must caution you about upgrading to El Capitan... that's a very big jump, leapfrogging forward 5 full major OS versions. It's highly likely that most of the third-party software you're currently relying on will not work on El Capitan without an upgrade. Plus, it's likely that your older hardware that runs fine with Snow Leopard will be a bit under-powered to run El Capitan well, so your performance may suffer further as a result of the upgrade.


If you do upgrade, be sure to do your homework and check out all your software, so you'll know how to upgrade anything that needs upgrading. Then make sure that you have a good set of backups in place, so that if anything in the process goes wrong or the results are not optimal, you can revert.

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Apr 15, 2017 10:20 AM in response to jennywren1420

jennywren1420 wrote:


I think my more important question was whether it was safe for me just let Genieo sit on my computer until I have the time to upgrade the Mac


Genieo is what I would consider malware, but more because of some of the underhanded tricks it has used to get installed - even using vulnerabilities in the system at times - than because of its behavior once it's installed.


The sole goal of Genieo is to direct you to a different search engine, so that the Genieo folks can get paid for their "referrals" to that search engine. So you're not really its direct victim, and your data isn't directly at risk.


However, be aware that having crappy software like this infecting your Mac has the potential to open up security vulnerabilities or cause system instability that could lead to worse problems in the future. Plus, it's pretty intolerable to live with. So this isn't something I'd ignore for long.

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Apr 15, 2017 10:54 AM in response to thomas_r.

Thank you, thomas_r., for your thoughtful reply to my message. Yes, everything you say is true, but I believe that my computer can manage El Capitan. I'd be glad to settle for something less advanced, but it is my impression that I don't have the option, that the App Store doesn't have what I'd need to go up the ladder of upgrades to something more advanced. If that is not correct, I'd be pleased.

I believe that my 8 GB is sufficient to handle a more advanced version of the OS, and I've looked into what I'd need to upgrade in software. It's a lot, including (in addition to the OS) an office suite (I have MS Office), a different browser than Firefox, an upgrade of Safari – which I almost never use but which my ISP wants for things like online bill paying – and more. The time it will take to track it all down, install it and get used to it is the reason that I am delaying any upgrade attempts at the moment.

And yes, I shall be sure to back up my files, even though at present they include Genieo, which presumably would be backed up with everything else.

So thank you (and the others who have been good enough to reply to my queries) again. I'll make sure that everything that needs doing will be done before I attempt any drastic changes. Not far down the road, I'm sure, will be a new computer, but for the present, I'm happy with what I have.

Best,

jenny

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Apr 17, 2017 4:27 PM in response to jennywren1420

If you can just get rid of enough of genieo to stop it, even if other bits are still hanging around, it will make life easier.


NOTE: thomas_r is the Mac version of MalwareBytes author, and the author of the "Adware Removal Guide for Genieo at the Safe Mac" web page.

As to whether your Mac will run El Capitan nicely, I have a Late 2011 15" Macbook Pro (it came with Lion 10.7). I found I needed to replace the rotating hard disk with a Solid State Disk (SSD) to get good performace, even with Lion. Your mileage may vary, but if El Capitan does not work well, consider upgrading the storage to an SSD.

NOTE: Your needs and expectation will be totally different from my own, so my need for an SSD may not match your situation at all.

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Apr 17, 2017 4:11 PM in response to thomas_r.

Thank you, again. I hesitated to write back until I completed my visit (it turned into two visits) to the Mac Genius Bar. First, I checked to make sure that there are upgraded versions of my software or updated drivers, even before I got your message. I'm glad to say that there are. The hard drive has been backed up amply, too.




Here's the story that I got from two Geniuses – one in one Apple Store, and one in another (because I once got totally discouraging advice about getting an external optical drive in a store on one side of Manhattan, New York City, and very good advice from another in another part of the borough). One was rather tentative but encouraging; the other seemed not to know even as much as I know about the subject of upgrading to El Capitan for computer, let alone mine.




The first guy told me that I had enough RAM (8 GB) and far more than enough hard drive space to accommodate El Capitan (two ten, thereabouts, left), and though he said that things might freeze up at some point, he also told me that I could revert to Snow Leopard in such a situation. But the Mac App Store no longer offers El Capitan, and when R. (the sweet though rather hesitant Genius) tried to download it, somehow, it wouldn't even show up. He very kindly gave me the name of a place here in New York City that might be able to help me. He also suggested cleaning out the fan, but I neglected to ask how that was done. And we agreed that if I stay with my current MacBook, with or without El Capitan and updated software, in time I'll need a new battery. I don't know about getting a different hard drive. That and the rest may be more than I want to put into my old baby. Who knows how long the rest of it will last (though I've used it kindly and quite sparingly) and how long it will be before people at Apple, here and elsewhere will be as clueless about El Capitan as they now are about Snow Leopard and elderly MacBooks?




That brings me to the second Apple Genius. Though he wasn't as young as R., he seemed to know less, and he downright told me that he and some people he consulted with at the East Side Apple Store (R. was at the Upper West Side one) said that I shouldn't even try to install El Capitan because if it froze up my computer during installation, they hadn't the parts to restore it to health. I don't know what parts he meant, and I was so discouraged that I neglected to ask. If he meant that they didn't have Snow Leopard, that's a no-brainer, because I have a copy.




Then he said that anyway, if I upgraded to El Capitan, I wouldn't be able to use it, because everything would be incompatible. I told him that I knew that I could upgrade my other software, but then he seemed to start talking about my own files. I asked him whether that was what he meant, and he waffled, but at last, seemed to be saying that I'd be able to use my own files, apart from software.




I then asked him what would happen when I did get a new laptop, and he said that none of my stuff, including my letters, emails and such, would work on it, even with new versions of software, drivers for my printer and scanner and such. And if I understood him correctly, I'd have to have Apple transfer my files to the new computer, when I get one. He tried to explain why that would be, but the explanation sounded unreal, somehow. I've transferred my files to other computers, and my current computer is fully Intel, except that Snow Leopard can use Rosetta, I believe. I guess that any files that need that would have to go, but that is not a problem. I doubt there is anything of that kind that I can't spare or replace.




So, forgive me for this extremely long response to your kind message. I don't know whether you agree with either of the Geniuses, or with my phoning and/or visiting the shop that R. suggested (M.'s Tech). After my visit with R. yesterday, I thought that I could get El Capitan, and I considered possible hardware changes (though I'd like to avoid that), either now or at some point. But maybe it can't be done. R. was encouraging, but I can't help but wonder whether the second guy and the people he consulted with, at least, were unable to consider anything but getting me to buy a new computer. (That actually happened to my daughter, who was pushed into buying a MacBook Air, one time when some water from a drinking bottle leaked on it. Almost at once, the MacBook woke up and behaved like a champ. So much for experts, sometimes.)




I spoke also to two young ladies who told me about the various MacBook Pro and MacBook Air models, so I guess I'm prepared now, should my lovely old MacBook go belly-up. I've quarantined the Genieo files that ClamXav found, by the way, and the computer is running better. I won't be able to do anything if I get actually malicious software, of course. No anti-malware software that I know of can deal with Snow Leopard.




Thank you again for your solicitude, and now for your patience with this long, long message. I only hope it may help to guide anyone else who is in the same position as I am.




jenny




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Apr 17, 2017 4:34 PM in response to jennywren1420

The advice of the first guy you talked to sounds right. Unfortunately, I'm not able to give you any other advice on how to get El Capitan if it's no longer available on the Mac App Store.


The second guy sounds like he didn't have a clue what he was talking about. It's too bad, but not all Apple Geniuses are anywhere close to worthy of the name.


It sounds like he was cautioning you that they can't repair your hardware - which is true, but irrelevant, as an OS update cannot cause hardware damage.


It's totally false that your documents would become inaccessible on a newer system or newer Mac, unless they are a weird format for which there is no modern-day app capable of opening them. At least some kinds of old ClarisWorks documents, for example, can't be opened by anything on a modern computer. Most likely, you're not in that situation.


There would be no reason for Apple to be required to move your files for you. An external hard drive will do the trick, and you may even be able to directly connect the old computer to the new one somehow, though I don't know for sure what your options would be there.

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Apr 17, 2017 6:28 PM in response to jennywren1420

jennywren1420 wrote:


I ran ClamXav, apparently the only app I can use with my antiquated software to find infected files. It brought up several that all are related to the Genieo trojan: Adobeflashplayerins, FMP.dmg, FMP1.dmg, Application.app, Payload.bundle, Reset search.app.


If this is the paid version of ClamXav, then it should have no problem removing everything you may have installed with those installers listed. The only other thing you would need to do is manually re-select your home page and search engine in your browser preferences, assuming those were changed.

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