Nikon d850 raw support

I guess you refer to what i have written.. 🙂

Well i am using Apples since 1984 so there is not much difference there...

Everything i said can checked as valid.

I don't like it that because i have a new camera i have to move to the latest unstable 10.x.0 system to get support.

With little effort they could make life easier for costumers to keep using their old systems that in my case is needed to support old software. Usually only the last update of the older system is really stable. That is the one i want to use ( in this case 10.12.6).

and for instance 10.13 /10.12 is not supporting the old 3.1 mac pro while the only thing that is not supported is the wifi unit in this machine. Why not make it available and say - wifi does not work. The machine still runs great.

With little effort they could make life easier for costumers to keep using their old systems

Can you specify what that effort includes? I often see people say this but no one ever seems to tell me what exactly is involved.

It's 5 weeks on from this question and I'd hope there would be a reply soon. The D850 is proving immensely popular and looks like being a classic DSLR.

For the moment my migration plan from Aperture is

a. Photos, which will call

b. RAW Power and then (esp for portraiture)

c. Aperture as long as it works and possibly

d. Topaz

But step (a) requires recognising D850 RAW. I am sure it will come but the wait is frustrating.

Finally got my D850 today. (After almost two months) Ha! I’m disappointed to see I can’t see thumbnails in preview. I have to save the raw to QHD and jpeg to sd card. Then I have to view both at same time to tell what picture is which. I left Apple feed back. Hope it’s soon.

main problem is this:

Because Apple changes every year from system you always end up with a system full of new bugs.

only the last .x is the stable one, but at that time they introduce a new buggy system.

Apple software and for instance Raw support for new cameras are only found in the latest system.

They could make is available for old systems as well, but they want you to use the latest system and this is one way to force you.

On the other hand i am running older software that does not work anymore with the latest system, so i end up with the situation that i need. - we are talking about software less than 5 years old!

so i need:

1 the latest system for camera and apple software support

at the same time

2 an older system running the software i need

But i cannot have both.

I think it should be obligatory to fully support to sytems at least 5 years after first publication.

that would mean now- give full support to 10.8 and later.

This:

you always end up with a system full of new bugs.

only the last .x is the stable one, but at that time they introduce a new buggy system.

is just wrong. Just not true at all. Just absurd.

You choose to run old software that's your choice. Don't buy new cameras.

Well i am not alone saying that for instance at this moment that you should not update to High Sierra for one...

If you do that you might get into trouble with the new filesystem.

The only (old) system that recognizes the APFS formatted disk is 10.12 Sierra.

Most professionals working with computers ( i for one) tend to say wait for version .2 or later; and then be sure everything works as it did before...

Apart from that- sometimes you have no choice than use 'old' software ; then i mean three years old (?)

It is not a choice.

One thing i have learned through the years is that NEW is not always BETTER.

sometimes it is just plain worse.

It is a basic problem with software that a lot of documents cannot be read in the future.

If you change every year the system software to an extent that programs have to be updated things get even more complicated.

Yes i need a new camera... and i need support for it.

Please explain to me, instead of only using words like wrong and absurd Terence level 10, with real arguments like i do why Apple should not support a new camera in operating systems less than 5 years old.

(when it could make life so much easier for many)

Well i am not alone saying that for instance at this moment that you should not update to High Sierra for one...

Of course you're not alone. There are many people who speak without knowing very much.

If you do that you might get into trouble with the new filesystem

You might? You're not sure? That's a very long way from your grand pronouncement that "you always end up with a system full of new bugs." Bit of a back pedal there. So, you also...might not? Millions of people have updated and migrated to the new file system with no problems.

Most professionals working with computers ( i for one) tend to say wait for version .2 or later; and then be sure everything works as it did before...

No, most professionals don't. See? I can make up stuff too. But now you're gone from the last version of an OS to the second version. So, you only might have problems not "always" have them and the last version of the OS is not the only stable one.

Consistent?

One thing i have learned through the years is that NEW is not always BETTER.

sometimes it is just plain worse.

And sometimes it's just plain better, but how would you know if you don't update?

It is a basic problem with software that a lot of documents cannot be read in the future.

Nope. What does happen a lot is that old software can't open new formats, though. Backwards compatibility is fairly easy, forward compatibility - which is what you want - isn't.

If you change every year the system software to an extent that programs have to be updated things get even more complicated.

But how? You've not shown any evidence just offered a few tired clichés, and you've contradicted yourself.

Please explain to me, instead of only using words like wrong and absurd Terence level 10, with real arguments like i do why Apple should not support a new camera in operating systems less than 5 years old.

Why ask me? I don't work for Apple. All I'm saying is that you have no good reason not to update, but choose not to. Fair enough, just don't spread FUD around. After that, if you choose not to update then don't buy cameras that are beyond the capability of the system you choose to run. Take responsibility for your own decisions.

Hello Terence,

I guess we do not agree- thats fine.

Maybe i use computers in some other way than you do and come into trouble with new operating systems and you don't... there are many different ways to use one.

but some things you say are nonsense.

1

My knowledge is from my own experience ; not what people say...

I always test a new system if it works for me. I spend at least a day in that. but i test the for last version

now its 10.12.6 i believe.

2

"After that, if you choose not to update then don't buy cameras that are beyond the capability of the system you choose to run."

This is ridiculous! Nothing new there; just no support, thats all.

My system hardware is being crippled by Apple's software... for economic reasons - thats whats going on.

I am just a professional user that looks for stability and have a hard time finding it and Apples upgrades every year are making things more complex even if they could prevent that with little effort.

I think we know where we stand now.

greetings,

Pieter Kers

My knowledge is from my own experience ; not what people say...

No one is arguing with your experience, but that is not what you said. You make big statements about what "most professionals" and the like. Stick with your own experience and no one can argue with you. Spread fear uncertainty and doubt and get called on it.

And remember, if Apple's systems don't meet your needs, do the sensible thing and use another one.

Bahahahahaha! Right? Yeah I found nothing about it. I’m still on Sierra. I’m having a verifying issue on all of my large video files on high Sierra. I still haven’t found out if they even fixed that issue. But hey new emojis.

i'm just wondering for an ETA on when Apple support the D850 in the camera raw directly.

It's never going to happen. What part of Aperture no longer being supported do you not understand?

Not to mention that speculation is against the ASC terms of use.

Golly. Mr Grumpy hits town.

I'd suggest there is a difference between Aperture not being supported and Apple supporting Nikon D850 RAW. For example, one might be using Apple Photos, which as far as I can tell is still current.

I'd suggest there is a difference between Aperture not being supported and Apple supporting Nikon D850 RAW. For example, one might be using Apple Photos

That's exactly correct. New camera raw definitions work on Photos but not on Aperture. So, that's what 'Aperture non longer being supported' means...

What you expect is interesting autobiography, I'm sure. And yes, there is a reason Apple drew the curtains on Aperture. No one outside of Apple knows what it is, of course, but they did have a reason I'm sure.

But your point is? And you're addressing it to me, why?