WiFi in iOS 11 keeps turning on

I totally agree that this wifi autoconnect is ridiculous. I’ve been to a bunch of restaurants, cafes, hotels etc where I have hooked on to he complimentary wifi service. All of these require logins. So whenever I pass one of these places I’m suddenly hooked up to their net without being logged in. This effectively blockes everything I’m doing. Wherher I’m sending a mail, speaking on facetime or whatever I’m doing on my 4g net. So in stead of hating IOS11 on a daily basis, I’ve now turnes of the wifi all together and using 4g exclusively. Ios11 team: Idiots!

What cracks me up is the people who don't understand that there is practically never a reason to turn off either Wi-Fi or Bluetooth. And anyone so misguided as to think there is a reason can still do it with two taps in the Settings app.

Lawrence Finch wrote:

What cracks me up is the people who don't understand that there is practically never a reason to turn off either Wi-Fi or Bluetooth. And anyone so misguided as to think there is a reason can still do it with two taps in the Settings app.

Or they can simply allow the iPhone to go to sleep.

Lawrence Finch wrote:

coreybenson wrote:

Ah, so now there’s 2 steps to the process. Multiple clicks, plus turn off “ask to join” got it.

You have convinced me. You are a troll, or are being deliberately thick. You turn off "ask to join" ONCE FOR ALL TIME. You never touch it again.

Yes! Even if you buy a new iPhone and you restore to it from backup, the setting remains. I had it on my iPhone-6 and it automatically copied to my iPhone-7.

I don't turn mine off either, and do not experience battery issues. I do, however, have Ask to Join turned off, so I don't deal with all of the surrounding wi-fi networks lighting up my phone. Since I have unlimited cellular data, it really doesn't matter that much, but if I want to use wi-fi at a place where I determine data is available, then I open Settings and look for a network. I think too many people make things overly difficult in using their devices and are constantly tapping fingers to turn off things, and are using up power that way.

Before this update, it did turn it off, hence the fuss. I never went to the Settings to turn it off as the Control Center was quick and easy. Doesn’t really matter to me what they were ‘designed’ to do, just what they did. As for temporarily disabling, “which some do under specific circumstances,” my circumstances dictate that I turn off/‘disable’ as often as I desire because I don’t live in a context of constantly being able to recharge at will. As for you not turning yours off at all, your experience is one thing and it works for you, but that doesn’t mean it works well for others.

Customers have come to expect a certain behavior from this button. Apple changed it - and *clearly* people are confused by that change. Apple didnt meaningfully modify the appearance of the switches to indicate this changed functionality. People believe the switch does something it no longer does. *That’s the security concern* Further, there have been recent weaknesses discovered in both bluetooth and WPA2. To clarify: Are we sure the red phone button still hangs up the phone when we make phone calls? Or should we always be concerned that functions we’ve had need to he fully researched each time we update our phones?

When you drop a connection it pops up again and again when the phone sees any available connection in the street. That's very annoying. The BLE connection won't even drop as it will immediately be reestablished.

Also there's absolutely no logic in having a 2-state button for a drop action. You press, it goes grey, you switch on and off then it's blue again...

Seems like apple folks never used their own creation outside of the campus...

This wasn't the correct link for iPhone feedback, but I found the contact page and sent my feedback on this issue. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

I left my feedback at: Feedback - iPhone - Apple

Philly_Phan wrote:

generaluwf wrote:

I don't like my bluetooth on except when I'm at home with my personal speaker, but I kept finding bluetooth on.

How many times do you have top be told? Settings > Bluetooth

Or "Hey Siri! Turn off Wi-Fi"

generaluwf wrote:

My phone stays disconnected from a network until 5a the next morning. If your phone is reconnecting every two minutes, it's not working correctly.

Thanks for that. I'll test it out. I know it was reconnecting to my home network the same day after I turned it off. I just turned it off and will keep an eye out. If the 5am is correct, that's a little better than reconnecting every 2 minutes. Still not a fan of the change. Thanks for the info!

I absolutely get that change is uncomfortable. It is, however, inevitable, especially where technology is concerned.

Does it recur if you disconnect a second time?

I'm curious as to whether iOS may treat each band of a dual band AP with the same SSID for both bands as separate networks for dissociation purposes (e.g. You would need to dissociate once for 2.4 GHz and once for 5 GHz.)

I don't know if that's true, it's just a theory.

In reply to Apple’s comment.

I urge Apple to follow a sequence of logical considerations that demonstrates an opportunity to improve the the control center.

Let me start by thanking Apple for considering all the times in the past that I forgot to turn my WiFi back on. That is...to consider... in the past. Moving forward, I must make an assumption: in many, if not most instances, most users have unlimited data; making forgetting to connect to WiFi far less painful. So, if the assumption holds true, then the justification for the current functionality of the control center is less than justified. If that is not enough justification then please continue to consider the following. No WiFi connection is automatic without a manual request to join that network. Subsequent encounters with that network would be automatic. Therefore, any network that an iPhone is on is thereby intentional. Previously authorizes networks can be of two types: 1) repeatedly accessed or 2) a one time or limited use. For the former, this is likely a network owned by the user. Therefore, they will either get the network fixed or choose not to use it. In either case it makes the most sense to disable it with a one time solution of going into settings and choosing to “Forget this network.” The repeated disconnection from the network through the current control center is the far less efficient approach. For the latter, this is also a one-time disconnect. Now... if Apple views the control center as best used for one-off instances, then the design is perfectly excuted. However, if the intent for the control center is to make repeated use items easy to access, then reverting back to the old functionality is the best course of action. If this is still not enough, then I believe I have demonstrated that the benefits of having it each way are at least equally weighted. If that is the case, then the tie to which way it should function goes to how the user wants it. So I close by asking; how does the user want it?

IEJDP wrote:

if Apple views the control center as best used for one-off instances, then the design is perfectly excuted. However, if the intent for the control center is to make repeated use items easy to access, then reverting back to the old functionality is the best course of action.

You are expressing a personal preference. I don't turn off WiFi except in very rare circumstances. Therefore, having the ability to do so front and center in the Control Center is useless. I do, however, need to disconnect from known and trusted networks fairly regularly. Therefore, the way the CC is set up is perfect.

People who don't have unlimited data, are, in my opinion, better served by the current set up as WiFi will, eventually, reconnect. I'm not sure that one can justify the assumption that most people have unlimited data.

So I close by asking; how does the user want it?

That is generally not Apple's starting point.

DrochMacTire wrote:

This is a horrible security vulnerability that Apple has chosen to build into their devices, plus just plain annoying and battery draining. If this “feature” can’t be permanently disabled soon, I’ll be forced to switch to Android so I’m not putting myself at risk.

You do realize the flaw in your thinking, correct? First off, while they have changed the ability to permanently turn off wi-fi and Bluetooth from the Control Center, they have not completely removed the ability to turn off wi-fi and Bluetooth on the phone. Secondly, wi-fi and Bluetooth are not "battery draining" features, and that has been proven many times over. Hopefully you have read at least one of the 13 pages of this thread and learned what I just told you.