WiFi in iOS 11 keeps turning on

Gilderon wrote:

No, I don’t want to worry about what’s unlikely. I need to. I wish it were otherwise.

Then way are you worrying about someone hacking your phone through WiFi? It's unlikely. Your cellular carrier collecting your data is a fact.

Gilderon wrote:

Off-topic, potentially libelous assertion. Moderator?

You do realize that if you actually start posting helpfully you can gain points on the board, and if you amass enough points you can report those who you wish to the moderators yourself rather than pleading for their intervention publicly.

Much more efficient and does not draw so much attention to you. (which may of course not be what you desire)

Gilderon wrote:

I liked the “ask to join network” turn off option and forgetting everything but my home network, but then my phone turned it back on automatically...

Then there is something amiss with your phone.

Good to know, thanks. I wasn’t doing that for attention; I just couldn’t find a way to do it otherwise and saw another thread on the issue of moderator intervention where it was advised to simply request it in a post.

I can’t seem to communicate clearly, it seems. I’ll try again.

The probability of the problem occurring is immaterial to my concern. There is no trivial, important, critical, etc. qualifiers that apply. It’s a binary problem. The fact that it is possible at all requires me to worry about it, regardless of the degree of probability. I don’t have any choice in the matter.

If the sort of hacking I’m worried about is someday legalized, which to be seems very improbable, then it will no longer be a concern and I’d be more than happy to let my phone join any WiFi network that crosses my path. It would make life much easier.

There are times I need to do that. In those instances, the phone can’t be allowed on my body even if’s turned completely off. It needs to be stored in a different room or building. It’s not really pertinent to this discussion though. Here I’m talking about when I can carry my phone around.

You, it's apparent are not communicating clearly. You're acting as if Apple took something away from you, in essence your point is you are somehow now more vulnerable (to a clearly minimal, virtually non-existent threat). You've posted countless posts on this and yet you've failed to see, understand or acknowledge that your phone poses no new threat under the new Control Center Wifi/Bluetooth controls than it did before they made this well needed change.

That's what's the head scratcher here. NOTHING HAS BEEN TAKEN FROM YOU. Why is that so difficult to understand and what makes this little beneficial change so worthy of the post after post trying to convince us of something that isn't a concern to most people who own cell phones?

You're in a lose lose situation here. None of us are going to agree with your reasoning on this subject. Your reasoning is simply flawed and based on lord knows what. But one thing is certain, it's not based on reality.

Apple didn’t take anything from me. It only made it a bit more inconvenient for me to use their product the way I need to. That annoyed me and is why I initially posted complaining about this change.

I no longer expect anybody here to understand why this is such an annoyance to me. I tried to explain as much as I am allowed to but apparently nobody here has faced the same work-related limitations and overt restrictions. Never mind.

I will say you put a good fight, without losing your temper (at least not often)! So good on you. In a deleted post, I invited you to stick around and help people out, which is what we really do around here. You may learn more about your phone and help folks along the way.

Happy Holidays to You.

IdrisSeabright wrote:

Philly_Phan wrote:

I want Settings/WiFi off to be a temporary setting. Apple has got to do something.

There you go, being all needy and demanding again. 😉

You don't understand. It's work-related and I want it and I want it and I want it.

By the way, look into the app "Honda Link." It's pretty much useless for Fits the age of ours (mine is a 2008) EXCEPT that it does have a really neat "Find my car" function. I don't use it anymore because I now park in the Handicapped slots.

Philly_Phan wrote:

By the way, look into the app "Honda Link." It's pretty much useless for Fits the age of ours (mine is a 2008) EXCEPT that it does have a really neat "Find my car" function. I don't use it anymore because I now park in the Handicapped slots.

Huh. I actually have a 2013 but no Bluetooth. I do have an Automatic OBD2 dongle that gives me a lot of info.

Gilderon wrote:

That widely available so-called secure WiFi networks are more secure for data transfer than encrypted cellular networks? To specify, I’m not talking about what the cellular operators can access but what individual hackers accessing the WiFi network can obtain.

Individuals cannot access a Wi-Fi network with WPA2 encryption. In addition, Apple requires all apps to use TLS security, so in addition to WPA2 encryption all traffic to and from the phone is encrypted within the WPA2 envelope. The only exception is web browsing, and that is only an exception it you foolishly connect to websites that do not implement SSL.

Cellular connections, on the other hand, are less secure than you think. Cellular voice has been hacked. SMS messages travel over the world-wide S.S. 7 signaling network, and that is trivial to hack. It's so vulnerable that the NIST has recommended against 2 factor authentication that uses SMS messaging, because hackers can intercept the SMS codes and bypass 2 FA for any service that uses SMS (including US government sites, BTW). That's why Apple implemented 2 FA using an internal, non-SMS standard. Cellular data is not encrypted, but you are at least protected by TLS/SSL used by apps, like you are with Wi-Fi.

While you are not concerned about what cellular carriers routinely intercept, how about what the hackers who hack the carrier's databases can capture? And that HAS happened.

Gilderon wrote:

I tried to click “helpful” for this post, but the button’s grayed out. Just wanted to let you know, Lawrence. Maybe the admin can fix it and give you the credit.

You can only click "helpful" a certain number of times in any given thread. I don't recall what the number is, though.

That’s an understandable policy but unfortunate for Lawrence in this case. His technical comments about security actually address an even more important, related issue potentially more helpful to

me at work than what I initially posted about. Hopefully, an exception can be made for him in this instance.