Can use iPad 12W charger to charge iPhone 6s Plus without any risks?

Dear Colleagues,


I know that were many debates years ago (2013) about this hot topic:


Re: Can use ipad charger to charge iphone?


Even then, and before the topic was closed, was more or less agreed that:


  • Use of the iPad 12W power adapter to charge the iPhone 5 is approved by Apple.
  • Use of the iPad 12W power adapter does no harm.
  • Use of the iPad 12W power adapter provides no benefits–other than convenience.
  • The iPhone 5 battery will not charge any faster using the iPad 12W power adapter.
  • The iPhone 5 internal battery charger circuit will limit its current draw to 1A maximum, even with an iPad adapter than can supply 2A or 2.1A.
  • By this reason, the iPhone 5 battery will not suffer any damage because for it will not be any difference of using the Apple's 5W or 12W USB power adapters.


but I don't know if since then, the iPhone 6s Plus can benefit of the higher output current of the iPad 12W charger.


Anyone knows (or measured):


  1. How much current can draw the iPhone 6s Plus?
  2. In case it could draw more than 1A, how much faster could charge it using Apple's 12W adapter?
  3. Would it iPhone 6s Plus battery get hotter due the higher current draw? Any experiment done on it?


I really wonder, if with the introductions of the iPhone's Plus models, if Apple introduced on them the capabilities to charge quicker using the iPad's 12W adapter; and if any user experienced any lost of battery lifespan doing it.


Thanks by your sharings in this interesting topic!

iPhone 6s Plus, iOS 10.3.3, 128GB

Posted on Sep 27, 2017 8:02 AM

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Sep 27, 2017 8:26 AM in response to torakaru

The primary answer is "yes," you CAN use the 12W charger with no risk. The rating is the maximum capability of the charger. Actual power draw is controlled by the receiving device (the iPhone) and the 12W charger will cause no additional heat.


I don't have exact figures regarding current but my experiences regarding how long it takes to charge suggests that the 12W charger will put out a bit more current.

Sep 27, 2017 9:56 AM in response to torakaru

I have measured the charging current for iPhone 6 and 7 (I skipped the 6S). For an iPhone 6 the initial current (when the phone is below 70%) is 1.5 amps, so it will charge to the 80% level 50% faster. For an iPhone 7 Plus it is 2 amps, so it will charge to 80% twice as fast. Note that above 80% the charging rate slows to approach 100%, but not exceed it. So the total charging time will not be 50% faster or twice as fast, but it will still be a lot faster than the 1 amp (5 watt) cube.


That said, as I charge overnight, every night, I don't really care how long it takes to charge.

Sep 27, 2017 12:57 PM in response to torakaru

torakaru wrote:


Firstly thanks a lot by participating in this topic. Did you check (or notice) any difference in temperature (at back side of any of your both iPhone 6 or 7) when did you charge them with the 12W?


Any kind of overheating (even if small one compared with using the 5W adapter?)


If not done yet, may I ask you the next time that you charge your iPhones to try to charge the iPhone 6 with the 5W and the 7 with the 12W and take a look to their back respective temperatures, at least the first minutes when you begin to charge them, please?


(I don't know if you have any kind of temperature sensor to measure their backs during charging state to compare how affects to the iPhone 6 the charging difference from 0-80% between the 5W adapter (1A consumption) and the 12W adapter (1.5A), please.)


In any case, thanks by your contributions Lawrence! ;-)

Well, I don't have the 6 anymore. And all iPhones have an overheat sensor, and they will shut off if they overheat, so that's not something to be concerned about. Any device will get warmer at higher charging currents, but it has never gotten as hot as it does when I use the camera for more than a few minutes, or play an interactive game. If you think about it, when you charge any device heat will be generated, because no process can be 100% efficient (2nd law of thermodynamics). Some of that heat is from the battery itself, some from losses in the charging circuit. But the total heat load for any charge cycle will be the same, regardless of the charging current. At a higher charging current it will get warmer, but for a shorter period of time, than at a lower charging current that takes longer. Same BTUs, however.


I do have a precision laser temperature gauge; when I get a chance I will see what the differential heat load is for the cube vs the 12 W adapter for my 7+.

Oct 3, 2017 6:31 AM in response to iPhoneSEguy2003

Thanks by your comment iPhoneSEguy2003. The iPhone6s will charge slightly faster (around 33%), and I would suppose that the iPhone SE (which shares most of its inners) too; but I cannot confirm and you are the first one addressing that model in this topic related initially to the iPhone6s Plus.


It will be very helpful if next time that you fully discharge a couple of times both of your devices, you charge them one time with your original 5W adapter, and another with the 12W, and monitor the chraging time to see the differences between both in both iPhones.


Thanks in advance by your next sharings!

Sep 29, 2017 6:19 AM in response to torakaru

torakaru wrote:


Hi Lawrence,


Thanks a lot, it is a pity that you have not anymore the iPhone 6 to perform the temperature quick experiment with the 5W and 12W adapters; but if your iPhone 7 Plus is drawing 2A when the 12W adapter is used, it will be a very good candidate for this experiment.

The only charger I ever used with my iPhone 6 was the 12W. There was no way I was going to carry two chargers around. I had the phone for almost two years. The last I used it and checked the battery health, It was still very good.


You're way over thinking this. All cell phone batteries will lose capacity over time. What charger you have makes no difference in that.

Sep 27, 2017 9:54 AM in response to Philly_Phan

Well, the thing is that I think that from iPhone6 generation Apple allowed those models to draw more current from the Apple 12W adapter, but I don't know how much more.


Besides that, I am afraid that the iPhone6(s)Plus battery could begin to suffer sooner aging (reduce lifespan) due some kind of overheating (even minimal, but higher than compared with using original box Apple's 5W adapter), because usually more current transferred means higher temperature dissipation in the battery.


I cannot find any single official Apple support page where clearly Apple states that the quicker charging on the iPhone 6(s)Plus with the Apple 12 adapter is fully safe. Nor any Apple webpage where recommends this nice Quick Charging feature between the iPhone Plus owners. This is very strange. It looks to me and added value marketing feature, but Apple doesn't publish it?


I understand that they package the 5W adapter in the iPhone boxes because they are smaller, more handy, and cheaper to produce (more benefit margin in each iPhone sold); but why do Apple don't really recommend the 12W adapter openly? Pretty strange to me.


Apple only mentions it as "compatible" for iPhone6s(Plus), but doesn't recommend it nor says is the optimal solution above the 5W adapter.

Sep 28, 2017 2:04 PM in response to torakaru

torakaru wrote:


And to don't bother you more times, and in case you may be to be so kind to decide to make this last experiment with the 5W adapter: may you also at same time quick check the temperature change in the 5W adapter itself? I am hearing many people about the pretty bad building quality of it (Apple's 5W adapter), that it breaks easily after few months, and even it gets considerably hot; this last thing is also mentioned in its Apple's manual, although Apple officially states there that it is still in the safety surface temperature limits of IEC 60950-1).


I've monitored the input power to the cube with a Kill-a-Watt meter. When charging the cube consumes 6.4 watts, and outputs 5 watts, so the loss is 1.4 watts. It can't possibly generate measurable heat with a 1.4 watt loss. The temperature of the cube goes up by 1.5ºC. and the phone goes up by about 2ºC.


When I switched to the 12 W adapter it consumes 9 watts when charging at 8 watts (1.6 A), so it is slightly more efficient. Neither consumes any power with no load connected.


I have never had a 5W cube break down, and my oldest one goes back to my first iPhone in 2007. I still use it.


However, there are a number of counterfeit cubes on the market, that are cheaply designed and actively dangerous to use. Here are 2 videos about counterfeits:

Apple iPod chargers - fake versus genuine - YouTube

EEVblog #388 - Fake Apple USB Charger Teardown - YouTube

Sep 27, 2017 10:04 AM in response to torakaru

Just an anecdote:


I have a 12w iPad charger that I got with my iPad1 that sits next to my chair (you know, the one you sit in every night - your chair - ANYWAY).


Because it it convenient, I have always used it to charge all of my iPhones over the years: iPhone 4, iPhone 5s, and now iPhone 7s Plus.


I have never had any noticeable issues with battery life or otherwise by using this practice 🙂


Cheers,


GB

Oct 3, 2017 6:42 AM in response to torakaru

torakaru wrote:



It will be very helpful if next time that you fully discharge a couple of times both of your devices, you charge them one time with your original 5W adapter, and another with the 12W, and monitor the chraging time to see the differences between both in both iPhones.

Personally, I rarely fully discharge my phone. I charge it overnight so I would have no way of knowing how long it took to charge. And, I gave away my original iPhone chargers. I only keep the iPad chargers.


Once again, you are way, way overthinking this. Put your phone on to charge overnight.

Oct 5, 2017 8:48 AM in response to Lawrence Finch

Very Good summary statement Lawrence! 😎


I have some extra figures to share with you 🙂 and the community to further complete your study, they are wrt the iPhone 8. It looks like that when used the regular 12W adapter with normal USB cable, it can only draw up to 1.5A like from iPhone6 (7.5W charging), and follows the same charging pattern you described. BUT, if user uses a USB-C to Lightning cable adapter that supports USB-PD (like Apple 29W adapter), the iPhone 8 will draw 1A but at 10V, (10W charging, 25% more power transfer) and will drop to standard 5V/1A at 70%. Interesting, right? 😊 iPhone 8 will really charge even faster than any of previous gens (iPhone6/6s/7) with the right adapter and cable! ➕


(BTW, Apple 29W is enough, the Apple 61W and 87W USB-C power adapters will not charge even faster the iPhone 8, but the same as 29W; so no reason to invest more on them just only for your iPhone 8) ✅


Also, your thrist of knowledge, the iMac USB-C 2017 will charge the iPhone 8 as fast as using the 12W adapter (but not as fast as 29W adapter; despite the cable that you use). But this could change in future HW upgrades of iMac computers. ℹ


And the 7.5W wireless pad (just for iPhone 8), at the moment will charge the iPhone 8 at same speed than the 5W original adapter, not faster for the moment; but in this case, this could change with an iPhone iOS upgrade (if feasible, reliable and if Apple decides to do it in the future, as it is new feature technology just introduced in the iPhones 2017 gen) ℹ


(P.D. I don't know, but I would expect same new charging feature and behaviour in iPhone 8 Plus model, and most probably in iPhone X, as all of them where released at same time)

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