Liquid Spill Dispute--Anyone Have Advice/Similar Experience?

I sent my 15" MacBook Pro into the Apple service center for repair because some of the keys had stopped working, it was making that infamous whining noise, as well as doing the equally infamous random shut off.

Apple is now claiming that the defects are the result of the insides being trashed by some kind of liquid spill, the warranty is void, and I owe them $1000 for a new LogicBoard. I can confidently say that I've never, ever spilled ANYTHING into that computer. Not beer, pop, juice, wine, or even water. Hair, dust, and crumbs I'll own up to. But an all-corroding spill the kind of which they're claiming has happened? Not a chance.

I've got no idea what to do. The representative I talked to today was NOT helpful--she just kept repeating the same thing over and over again. I'm not sure who I need to talk to or what I can do to get this thing repaired under Applecare.

Has anyone had a similar situation--or know of any possible vindication available to me?

macbook pro 15" Mac OS X (10.4.8)

Posted on Jan 12, 2007 12:03 AM

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Jan 12, 2007 8:49 AM in response to dodus

A spill can't be the only explanation for corrosion inside the computer

A leaking electrolytic capacitor, perchance?

I like the second opinion option. (Obviously you have to get back from Apple first.)

Before making an insurance claim -- if you want to go that route -- consider that the insurance company may just get that back from you via increased premiums if you submit a claim.

Jan 12, 2007 6:57 AM in response to dodus

If not the fault of anyone in your household nor you...
Was this unit purchased new, has it been in for service prior to this incident, could this machine possibly be a refurb, is it a replacement unit for a previous defective unit (as there have been many), maybe the previous owner did spill something onto the machine and you unknowingly recieved this unit as a replacement?

Unfortunate situation, i hope you can get it worked out quickly and fairly.

Jan 12, 2007 8:20 AM in response to iVmichael

Thanks for the vote of confidence. I'm definitely not accusing Apple of lying--merely sticking with their knee-jerk reaction and not looking for any other alternative explanations. Which also makes sense, too, except that this time they're wrong.

I didn't buy it with a credit card. The insurance might be a possibility. The person I talked to on the phone was quick to suggest those options as well. I'm all about the path of least resistance, whatever gets it fixed, but then that's me doing the legwork for Apple's faulty product.

Jan 12, 2007 8:43 AM in response to BeProf

BeProf:

I hear what you are saying, but no one has ever spilled anything in the computer. It's my laptop, I live by myself, never really even take it anywhere, and I'm hard pressed right now to even think of an instance of someone else using it, let alone spilling something in it while I'm not around.

A spill can't be the only explanation for corrosion inside the computer. I've read a lot of threads by people have problems with condensation. Maybe that's the case--the laptop does get pretty hot. Unfortunately, I've also read a lot of threads by people who get stuck with a bogus MBP because Apple claims liquid spills are the problem.

Jan 12, 2007 8:48 AM in response to Eric Jefferson

Eric:

I'm the only person in the apartment.

It was a first-generation 15"MBP (I ordered it the day after last year's keynote) and it has been somewhat unreliable since I've received it.

The random shut off has always occurred, though to some extent less since I took it in for the complimentary battery replacement. The other problems have also been long occurring aside from the keyboard failure that prompted me to finally take it in.

But the computer has never actually left my possession for anything up until now, so I don't think refurbished parts or replacement computer is an issue.

Thanks for the support.

Jan 12, 2007 9:06 AM in response to dodus

It's probably not corrosion that they're looking at (unless that's a direct quote). They're probably looking at residue or a stain.

Ask them to show you that residue or stain or ask them to send you your machine back unrepaired so that you can take it to another AppleCare Certified Service location.

If they wen't ahead with the repair, ask them to show you an authorization of that repair. If they don't have it, ask them to send you your machine back. If they won't give it to you, call a lawyer.

You can try to fight this, but I'm telling you as someone who has been on both ends of this very kind of thing, you aren't going to win.

Jan 12, 2007 8:00 PM in response to dodus

Thanks everybody for all of your help and advice so far. I have a couple questions regarding some of your replies.

First and foremost, BeProf:
I've got a sinking feeling that you're right. You said you've been on both sides of the same situation. If you don't mind, can you elaborate on what happened when you were on my side of it?

When you guys (or girls) are talking about getting a second opinion or taking it to an Apple Certified Service Provider, are either of these options steps toward getting any use out of my warranty? Principle aside, I'm afraid my available fundage for this project is pretty much nil. Even if we're talking getting charged less than what Apple is asking, I'd probably opt to keep using my unreliable computer as is.

Boece: I know what you mean about an insurance claim--that's why I'm not seriously considering that route either.

No, no one used the word corrosion. "Liquid damage" was as specific as it got--no indication of what kind, how much, where at, what's broken, etc. All I know is that there's liquid damage and lots of it. I did go ahead and ask for pictures and more details, but I'm not crossing my fingers that the story is going to change. Not without some kind of ammo--is this what a second opinion will do for me?

No, I don't live near the ocean. The computer has spent extended periods of time in beachside neighborhoods (Venice, Colombia), but wasn't really getting opened or used. Never on a beach.

I don't know how much fight I have in me. I can make noise, or talk to people who will make noise for me, those are about the only tools I have at my disposal. I'm fighting hard with the urge to be self-righteous--I know that's not going to get me anywhere. But I'm sad and more than a bit steamed that this computer is looking more and more like a $2233 mistake and that I'm not even getting the redress that I paid for.

Jan 12, 2007 11:47 PM in response to dodus

Something else I thought of:

It appears that there's a really good Service Provider in LA authorized to do AppleCare repairs. I'm not sure if that means they honor warranties or what, but my question is this: If I take it to someone there, should I bring up the issue or will that be shooting myself in the foot?

Jan 17, 2007 6:42 AM in response to dodus

First and foremost, BeProf:
I've got a sinking feeling that you're right. You
said you've been on both sides of the same situation.
If you don't mind, can you elaborate on what
happened when you were on my side of it?


Well... I'm a tech at a large university and as such I often find myself playing middle man between an AppleCare tech who says, "The user beat it up," and a user who says, "I don't know what happened to it, but I didn't beat it up." In those situations, I tell them the same thing I told you, "I'm not saying you did it, but somebody did."

I've also had situations where we've just had to eat the cost of repairs that were obviously not the users fault simply because we couldn't prove to Apple that the problem a)existed or b)wasn't user abuse. Fortunately for me, we buy, as a department, at least $20- $30k in gear every single year from Apple and so have a pretty close relationship with someone fairly high up in the food chain who can grease the wheels for us and usually push stuff through that otherwise wouldn't go.

I don't want to leave you with a false impression, though. I can count on one hand the number of times when things didn't work out to our satisfaction, and in every one of those cases we at least got a good explanation of what precisely the problem was and why exactly they wouldn't cover it. This is out of dozens and dozens of issues, if not a hundred or more, where Apple met or even exceeded our expectations.

If you still have the fight in you, keep fighting it. Keep escalating it until you get someone that can answer your questions to your satisfaction. You're entitled to that at least.

Jan 17, 2007 9:02 AM in response to dodus

This may seem out of left field, but do you have any pets in the home? Or were there any near the computer at any point? they can relieve themselves in some strange places. I once had a cat that would pee on pillows. Not saying this is what happened, but it would explain a mysterious "liquid spill" even if no tell tale odor is present.

Jan 17, 2007 1:16 PM in response to Boece

Hi,

I read something similar to this and the issue was that the "heat pipe", part of the cooling system that apparently contains a liquid coolant, had failed and leaked the coolant all over the place.

Pretty sure you don't have to spill in order to get liquid inside an MBP, but I can't find the post regarding someone else's failed pipes.

good luck.

macbookpro Mac OS X (10.4.6)

Jan 18, 2007 12:30 PM in response to dodus

Well, an update for anyone still interested.

I e-mailed Steve Jobs with a brief and polite e-mail summarizing the problem and requesting to me taken at my word. The next day I received (actually, missed) a call from Robin Roberts, from the Executive PR team asking to speak with me about the problem. Since then, I've been unable to reach her and I'm guessing that her absence has something to do with the Texas branch being closed down.

In the meantime, I've put in a couple calls to AppleCare. The first representative was extremely polite, put me on hold while she went through my "notes", and then returned trying to convince me that it was time to come clean and give up. She made a number of factual errors (for example, "It appears as though the liquid got in through the keyboard via the key that has been removed," I removed a couple keys after my keyboard stopped working, which was only the most recent problem). I was told that pictures had come back, they were pretty incriminating, and that they had been sent to my e-mail address (they have the correct one) yesterday at 10:30am (5 days after requesting them). I haven't gotten an e-mail with any pictures yet so far.

During my second call, the representative explained that it's being looked into, there are pictures attached to my file, and that it's pretty high up. She was the one who told me about the Texas problem and told me to just sit tight. So that's where I'm at. Still completely in the dark, but I guess I'm making some progress?

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