Why is 'deauthorize this computer' on itunes not working?

We have five computers authorised on our family itunes account. When I try to deauthorise one from the computer in question it doesn't work - I get a message saying this computer is deauthorised, but when I try to authorise another in its place it says I still have five computers authorised. Don't tell me I have to use 'deauthorise all'- that would make no sense - why bother to have a 'deauthorise this computer' menu item if if means nothing and you can't actually do it?

Posted on Feb 6, 2018 5:51 PM

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Feb 8, 2018 8:23 AM in response to copycath

Authorization vs. association


Up to 5 computers can be simultaneously authorized for each Apple ID. There is no direct record of which machines are authorized. It is up to you to keep track. iPods & iOS devices are limited to DRM protected content from up to 5 different accounts. There is no limit to the number of devices that you can load up with content using iTunes. You can deauthorize computers that you no longer wish to use to access protected content so that you can authorize others. You either do this on the specific machine or deauthorize all and then reauthorize as needed. Having used deathorize all you cannot use it again for a year, though Apple Support may be able to perform a reset if you can explain why you need to reuse the feature before it becomes available to you. Reinstalling Windows without deauthorizing first will use up an authorization.

HT201251: Authorize your computer in iTunes - Apple Support


A mix of up to 10 computers and iOS devices (no more than 5 computers) can be associated with your Apple ID for iTunes Match/Apple Music, automatic downloads, or redownloads of past purchases. There is a 90 day limit before a computer or device can be switched to another ID or the association removed. The list of associated devices is the one you can see within your account details in iTunes. You associate a device or computer by using certain features, typically downloading past purchases. You don't necessarily need to associate a computer or device with your Apple ID to use it with your content. Again Apple Support may be able to reset if you can explain why you need to reset the association early.

HT204074: View and remove your associated devices in iTunes - Apple Support


You can happily remove any and all associations that are not within the 90 day limit. Those that you actually use will be recreated as and when you make use of a service that triggers association.




tt2

Feb 11, 2018 3:19 AM in response to copycath

The MacWorld article says the system can be confusing, and that computer repairs can lead to lost authorizations.


I don't know the details of the inner workings of the authorization and deauthorization process but presumably there is some sort of unique token stored on the computer, and a record back at base of how many active copies of the token there are. Each time iTunes checks that it is still authorized it will compare its token with the one on Apple's servers. If they're still the same you can access protected content, if not then you need to authorize the machine. If it works like this then Apple only know how many authorizations they think you have, and the only option they have to reset things is to issue a new token and set the count back to zero. FWIW on Windows it is the individual copy of the OS that gets authorized and reinstalling Windows may remove the token without updating Apple's records. On Macs the hardware itself is authorized which is handy if you have a multi-boot system or need to reinstall the OS.


Complaining about the system won't fix anything. Bite the bullet and deauthorize all. If you cannot trigger it from your end because you've done so already in the last year then Apple Support can do it for you. Last time I had problems I set up a file called Authorizations.txt in my main library folder so I could record when I did the reset, and exactly which computers I authorized and when.


Use Feedback - iTunes - Apple to share your thoughts with Apple, they're not listening here.


tt2

Feb 11, 2018 6:34 AM in response to copycath

Instead of arguing the point repeatedly, why don't you simply Deauthorise All, then re-authorise the ones you want? If that doesn't work (possibly because you've hit that limit somewhere along the line), follow the link provided by tt2 to contact Apple Support and explain why you need to Deauthorise All again so soon.


The Apple procedure is unwieldy, no doubt, but as tt2 pointed out, the system was almost certainly how Apple managed to keep the music industry from killing the iPod stone dead at birth. (The music industry is not known for its understanding of new technology - if fact they usually misunderstand it to the point that it damages their own business.)


It really doesn't matter what you think the status of any of your computers is, if the Apple system doesn't respond in the way you want, simply doing the same thing again won't change anything. (As tt2 notes, if Windows is reinstalled without deauthorising the machine first, that's an authorisation still in use, so authorising the same machine will then use up a second authorisation.)


Use Deauthorise All.

Feb 8, 2018 4:00 PM in response to turingtest2

Why could you not explain it like this article I found myself does? https://www.macworld.com/article/3192746/streaming-services/apples-confusing-met hod-of-device-authorization-and-associat…


According to this, once you reach your limit of five devices you simply cannot deauthorise one computer. Or in my case I have found that you can, but it still counts five. All you can do is deauthorise all. Is this article right in this assertion?


If the article is right, I find it incredibly irritating that I have to deauthorise all our five family devices just in order to remove and add a device - the software seems incapable of subtracting one from five. This is a very arcane, obscure and unhelpful system. Please change it Apple.

Feb 8, 2018 5:17 PM in response to copycath

I don't know why you're having trouble with the deauthorization and authorization process, but I've managed it many times. One of the issues with deauthorizing is that you can only do it with the working machine in front of you, whereas when you reach the limit of five it is often a different computer that you want to eliminate. As noted deauthorizing all is often the way to resolve things. I think I've done it twice in about 12 years of using iTunes.


Computers need to be authorized to play and transfer protected content. The rules were presumably negotiated with rights holders when Apple first set up iTunes and are designed to prevent people sharing media indiscriminately.


tt2

Feb 6, 2018 7:10 PM in response to copycath

Update one hour later: Now after multiple attempts it accepted my deauthorisation of the first computer, but it still will not allow authorisation of the second computer on the grounds that we have five authorised, when we now only have four. There is no way to see the list of authorised computers. This system is really illogical and doesn't work well at all. Please fix it.

Feb 7, 2018 1:42 PM in response to javaliga

This is totally unhelpful. All you can see in your account details is the message that there are five computers authorised. Which is not true! I deauthorised one. It does not show you WHICH computers are listed among the five. There are no longer five, there are now four - now BOTH my old computer and my new computer are not authorised - I successfully deauthorised the old one but it still won't let me authorise the new one. PLEASE FIX THIS, it is extremely annoying.

Feb 8, 2018 2:24 PM in response to turingtest2

Thank you for your further explanation but it still does not solve my problem. It also does not explain what the relationship between association and authorisation is - does a machine have to be associated in order to be authorised?

My problem is simple - I know we have only four computers authorised. We did have five, and after multiple attempts (where it simply did not work) I finally managed to deauthorise one, and we now have FOUR. But it still will not let me authorise the new one. What a stupid system that won't even allow you to see a list of the machines that are authorised. I'm telling you, we have FOUR. Why won't it let me authorise a fifth? And why this arbitrary limit of five anyway???? And why this ridiculous rule about only being able to 'deauthorise all' once a year? This is not user friendly! I think we maay have had to use that within the last year so it is probably not an option unless you do it at your end. And it is very inconvenient anyway - why should we have to do that? The system of deauthorising and reauthorising should work and it simply doesn't.


I have not tried yet to reauthorise the one I just de-authorised, but if it won't even let me do that, then it means I will be stuck with neither the new nor the old machine that can re-download my purchases. This is simply not good enough. Apple contracts for us as a family to be able to use it on five machines and it is breaking that contract because the software is obviously flawed.


The fact of the matter is that Apple's system is obscure, obfuscatory and unhelpful. I have friends who left itunes because they could not retrieve hundreds of dollars worth of downloaded content due to the arcane and impenetrable so called customer service. Please tell me why it will not allow me to add a fifth computer and how to fix it without deauthorising all.

Feb 10, 2018 8:46 PM in response to turingtest2

"you can only do it with the working machine in front of you, whereas when you reach the limit of five it is often a different computer that you want to eliminate." - No, the computer I wished to eliminate was the one I was doing it from, and eventually, after about four attempts it did manage to deauthorise it. But then it still would not authorise the new one - as I said it seems that once you reach five, the Apple software is incapable of doing 5-1=4 - it still thinks there are five authorised. Even when I started another account and tried to use family sharing (now called home sharing I think) to get round this problem it still told me I couldn't because the first account had five computers authorised - which it doesn't.


So, are you confirming that what that MacWorld article claims is true? That it is, contrary to what the Apple instructions say, simply impossible to authorise another computer when you reach the limit, even if you deauthorise one? And is there no way for Apple support to reset it at your end so that it says four and not five are authorised, without having to deauthorise all, which is inconvenient to the users? The whole system needs rethinking - I have friends who have left itunes and now use other music downloading software because of such conundrums.

Feb 11, 2018 1:55 PM in response to turingtest2

Sorry, I'm not an i-thing user and erroneously assumed, because of the path I took to get here, that these forums were customer support - obviously they're not and you guys are just other customers - I should have realised that, like Microsoft or Google or Facebook, there is no such thing as customer support and Apple directs users to each other to solve the problems their system creates. I just find Apple very confusing and obscure and non-intuitive. I make the mistake of thinking things should make sense. Thanks for you help.

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