Setup HomePod without Two-Factor and iCloud Keychains

With all now posting various setup questions and getting more involved with the “speaker”, I was hoping some could tell me if it’s possible to avoid having two-factor and iCloud Keychains enabled if you just want to AirPlay, ie not interested in any other Apple services.


Or are they still necessary even to get your WiFi info from iDevice to HomePod!

iMac (21.5-inch, Late 2013), macOS High Sierra (10.13.2), 500Gb SSD, 3.1GHz i7

Posted on Feb 10, 2018 9:58 AM

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Posted on Feb 10, 2018 11:19 AM

Yes, you must have both:


On the iOS device that you use to set up HomePod, make sure that you signed in to iCloud with your Apple ID and turned on iCloud Keychain. You also need to have two-factor authentication set up for your Apple ID.


From this support article: Set up and use HomePod - Apple Support


Best of luck,


GB

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Feb 10, 2018 11:19 AM in response to SiHancox

Yes, you must have both:


On the iOS device that you use to set up HomePod, make sure that you signed in to iCloud with your Apple ID and turned on iCloud Keychain. You also need to have two-factor authentication set up for your Apple ID.


From this support article: Set up and use HomePod - Apple Support


Best of luck,


GB

Feb 10, 2018 3:42 PM in response to SiHancox

I picked one up this afternoon after all, and have set it up using a new Apple ID, a process which worked perfectly well, though I have not yet tried to add other devices as 'guests' which I hope is possible.


As to sound quality, when airplaying content from my Music playlists on an iPod Touch, it is truly excellent. Not in any sense beating significantly more expensive audio systems, but it is remarkable for the size, and good value for the money ($349 in the US). I have a Yamaha audio system that cost $400 new about 10 years ago, and it is certainly better than that.


In terms of bass performance, I have done a little experimenting, and if placed in a corner, or up against a wall or other solid surface, bass does extend and gets muddied, but that would be expected. When placed away from walls, it sounds very clean and well balanced. I am still experimenting, but it is interesting to hear how its sonic profile changes when it is moved around.


It is notably better than the second generation Echo I have in the same room, and I am happy with it overall. That said, I bought it to experiment with rather than for serious use, so the relatively poor functionality of Siri in comparison to Alexa isn't a concern. As a target for air play content, it works rather well.

Feb 11, 2018 12:32 PM in response to AndyO

The fact you are reporting that sound quality is one of it’s strong points is why I’ll leave it on my short list and if I also find it so far in advance of the competition, I might have to review my priorities.


With respect to 2FA and iCloud Keychain being disabled once setup, I’m doubtful, mainly because HomeKit controls how HomePod is software updated and HomeKit insists on iCloud Keychain being enabled, or at least mine does when I try and open it.

Feb 14, 2018 10:04 AM in response to SiHancox

Alas - it seems that to enjoy the wonderful, dare we say magical, sound of the HomePod you must be prepared to deal with the multiple side-effects of 2FA. When I bought a HomePod for my office, I was unaware of the 2FA requirement, but was so excited about the prospects of auditory bliss that I turned 2FA on for my account. Oh, had I only been warned! Not five minutes into my sound nirvana was I interrupted with a request to authorize a request on one of my Apple TV's. For the sake of fairness, I should disclose that I have a LOT of apple devices, including at least half a dozen Apple TV's. Apparently my 5 year old had decided to watch one of our previously purchased Disney movies and "it no work". I got a call from my wife and together we entered the 2 factor code into the Apple TV. On a whim, I suggested we try to play a different movie that we owned hoping it wouldn't message me again. Unfortunately, we had to authorize yet another movie. I told her that we'd have to deal with it as I was beginning to love my HomePod and the account would certainly settle down with it's paranoid, incessant demands to prove I'm me. My phone lost it's mind with 2FA validation requests that afternoon as my other kids came home and fired up iPads, other Apple TV's, and iPod Touches. The worst was my 8 year old with a 3rd generation Apple TV... You know you have to ADD the 6 digit 2FA code to the end of the password? But do that in 30 seconds, or start over... While I contemplated replacing all of my older Apple TV's with 4th generation models to avoid that pain, I weighed the cost with this new super safe level of security being forced on me. As these thoughts bounced in my head, my brother (an evil lover of other branded phones), stopped in my office and observed my fantastic new super safe speaker technology. He shouted "Hey Siri! Schedule "pick my nose" at 2:30 pm", and dutifully was that added directly onto my calendar.... The HomePod is now back on the shelf at the Apple Store, and after 3 days of battle I have disabled 2FA on my apple account. You have been warned.

Feb 10, 2018 11:46 AM in response to AndyO

Thanks Gail and Andy, will have to give it some more thought.


Can appreciate others will probably think it's no big issue and I should just enable both and be done with it, and if it was just Two-Factor might be pushed into doing that.


But never really liked the idea of my Keychains going through Apple (or any other company), especially when I have no need for it (use my devices for different things so no need for passwords to go back and forth between them), I basically don't like the idea of cloud backup and the fact "others" have your data, old fashioned view maybe.


Never thought of the new Apple ID approach though, will look into that after I get more feedback on how the HomePod performs in real life.


Just wish Apple would not persist in "locking" things down unnecessarily, it can't be that difficult to have let the Pod connect to your WiFi and offer a sort of "Guest" mode ring fenced from all the HomeKit side of things, then let the customer decide which service he wants to use, after all you would still have your WiFi password as protection.


But I suppose Apple's real drive is to get everyone on Apple Music and because all I wish to do is stream my own iTunes library cd rips I'm probably not there targeted market.


Thanks anyway.

Feb 10, 2018 12:57 PM in response to SiHancox

I can see the appeal for Apple in locking users into Apple Music where ever possible, but I agree that forcing users into 2-factor authentication and iCloud Keychain is just not acceptable to me. I was forced into 2FA some time ago, and it messed up my Apple ID, and meant hours of fiddling with forced password changes across multiple devices, then again when I had to disable it because I couldn't receive the login code Apple was sending. And I certainly do not have any desire to place my keychain in iCloud. I imagine that Apple are capable of keeping it secure, but given that my keychain contains login access to multiple systems I manage for work, I would not be permitted to share it in the cloud.


So, it's either no HomePod for me unless they change these requirements (which does not seem likely at all), or I'll try the alternative Apple ID method, which will not have any content or keychain to share.

Feb 10, 2018 3:19 PM in response to AndyO

I believe in this case waiting might be the better option, not withstanding whether Apple will make it possible to connect without forcing on these two requirements or that they can be circumvented via the use of a second "throwaway" ID, it could be wise to see how reports go with respect to sound quality.


The reason I say that is although the press have so far and for the majority given the thumbs up, and some even going totally OTT saying it bests £1000 systems!, a few on this forum have posted concerns with the Bass being excessive. Now that could have a lot to do with placement but I also have a concern it may be a Beats "house" sound coming through, and if that's the case it will certainly not suit me, because I really don't like that style of sound reproduction.


Must confess, I was drawn in with all the "expectations" but now I'm left a bit unsure about this product, unlike the iPhone X which I do consider has lived up to the hype (and yes I have one, bought unseen when it was released).


Would be interested on how things go if you do jump and try the second ID option though.

Feb 11, 2018 10:28 AM in response to SiHancox

At relatively low volumes, I doubt there would be much to tell the difference between a HomePod and a Sonos, and in fact the HomePod can seem a little lacking in punch when playing at low level. When increasing the volume however it really does come alive in a big way. As such, which device might be better for you does depend to some extent on what volume you are planning for it to be used at.


Near a wall shouldn't be a problem, as long as it isn't in a corner. But that's going to apply to any speaker.

Feb 11, 2018 11:17 AM in response to AndyO

I’ll definitely give it a listen, but trying to short list a few to compare as well, thinking of looking a little up market to say a Naim mu-so Qb in addition to units from the manufacturers I’ve already stated.


Must say, still a bit miffed by Apple’s security approach for just AirPlay (said same in another discussion), yes, another ID gets round it as you suggested, but, I’m just like that. I have a Naim main system so not sure why I didn’t think of there little baby before now.


When I’ve checked the specs I will get a demo at the nearest store that hopefully has the short listen ones (HomePod will be one of them), so a back to back can be done.

Feb 11, 2018 11:54 AM in response to SiHancox

Agree totally about Apple's insistence on 2FA and iCloud keychain, even as I understand that if they don't impose reliable security protocols, they would inevitably face law suits from people who didn't practice sufficient security protections and had their accounts hacked as a result. Ultimately, we have no choice but to make purchasing decisions based on what is or isn't acceptable (or can't be worked around).


For me, as an acoustics engineer (albeit many years ago), my interest in the HomePod is the degree of performance achievable from what amounts to a very small speaker. I was prepared to workaround the security requirements in order to test one and experiment with it. As such I am quite impressed so far.


If Apple were to add, or allow, functionality similar to Alexa, they would have an unbeatable product, even coming so late to the market. Of course they won't, but even as an airplay destination for iTunes music, (and UK radio stations in my case too) it is excellent. The only downside is that since it's only possible to airplay from one source at a time, it can be fiddly switching. My mostly unused iPad may find a new life as my primary HomePod source.


As an added thought about 2FA and iCloud keychain, I wonder if these could be disabled once the setup is complete. I haven't tried, but since I am using airplay, not Apple Music as my source, so not (knowingly at least) using my Apple account, I would have thought that might work.

Feb 14, 2018 12:27 PM in response to carlfromlayton

Thanks, I've read such a lot regarding some off the "issues" with 2FA particulary when it all starts going wrong, and I must admit that it's been the main reason for me not to implement on my system just yet.


The problem I have is my lack of confidence in Apple's "Services" management at the moment, I've had all sorts of glitches with Messages, Handoff and iCloud syncing over the years I just don't trust everything will work seamlessly all the time, and if more is being given over to the "cloud" then it really does need to be perfect or it all starts to fall over.


But with respect to HomePod I think I'm getting more annoyed at how Apple are slowly trying to close things down and thereby reducing choice, which is a shame because I really do love my iMac, iPhone and iPad - why couldn't 2FA have been employed just for protection of the HomeKit side off things while some other form of "simple" connection be allowed for streaming I'm not sure, but it wouldn't have been impossible to have incorporated a Bluetooth connection method that was separated from everything else (after all, I don't need to have 2FA when connecting to my AirPods!).


In a way I'm happy, this has given me a little extra thinking space, yes, I could create another account as AndyO has suggested, but with some rumours suggesting the sound might not be living up to the hype I've sat back and looked at a few alternatives, and must say i'm liking what I'm seeing, Naim's little baby is top at the moment not least for it's sound and connection ability, and after all, why do I want yet another device to mirror mail, messages, calendar etc when my iMac, iPhone and iPad are already enough!

Feb 14, 2018 1:01 PM in response to SiHancox

2FA is perfectly OK for a single device, and a sensible precaution for both users and Apple to implement to protect accounts which contain personal data, credit card and payment information, and content - and when extrapolated to iCloud, potentially a great deal more, such as photos and documents.


The problem in my mind is not the theory that 2FA is sensible, it the practical aspects of implementation when it comes to multiple devices, and it is the experience users have in this situation which I suspect has not been significantly considered. I know that when I (unexpectedly) had 2FA enabled on my account some time ago when it was first introduced, it resulted in most of my devices being unusable - at least for the purposes I needed them for. As an example, I use my iPhone extensively for FaceTime Audio and Messages, but these were inaccessible because the code was being sent by SMS, and AT&T had disabled SMS on my account. No code, no access. Repeated across iPods, iPads, MacBooks, iMacs, and Apple TVs, this was infuriating, frustrating, obstructive and totally unnecessary.


I provided feedback to Apple on the subject, and ultimately discovered how to turn 2FA off, and in doing so, was forced to change my Apple ID password, which then meant having to log into my account on each device in turn, entering the required tortuously complex password on virtual keyboards totally unsuited to such a task. But at least eventually, I had access to services on my devices again. Even so, I had missed several important calls and messages.


Once bitten, twice shy. If I had been looking at buying a HomePod for serious use rather than curiosity, the 2FA requirement would certainly and absolutely have decided me to keep my money.


Overall, I suspect that most people will deal with it and get used to it, and the world will continue turning. But I do wish that Apple paid a little more attention to the user experience, as it applies to actual users of Apple products rather than those who test devices, systems and services on our behalf - and who for all I know, all use throwaway Apple IDs like I did for the HomePod!


All that said, this is not really within the terms of use, so now I've had my moan, I'll shut up!

Feb 14, 2018 1:35 PM in response to AndyO

Suppose it's easy to criticise, and we forget sometimes what Apple still do well, but this HomePod connection issue I suppose was the straw that broke my back...


Still, as I replied to carlfromlayton, Naim's high on the list, I'm going to get a demo booked for the mu-so Qb soon, which I'm hoping will be at home like it was for there main system I have in the lounge, just got to twist the arm of my friendly local dealer!

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