mac os 10.13.5 forced update?

Good morning,


Quick details about my machine:

MacBook Pro 6,1, 17" Mid-2010

2.53 GHz Core i5

8GB 1067MHz Ram with Intel HD Graphics

500 GB HD

Now running Mac OS 10.13.5


So, weird thing happened yesterday. Earlier that morning, I was reminded by the system that there are updates. I try my best to never do any updates until I have read and seen what they were (learned my lesson a while back).


Fast forward to that evening. YouTube was playing on the MBP while I was cleaning up my office and the computer made a "Restart" noise. I thought to myself, "That's weird. Maybe it froze up and just decided to reboot?"


I waited for it to finish, and low and behold, I receive the Welcome screen talking about my new updates. Yes... I've been updated to 10.13.5.


The laptop now takes longer to load programs. Microsoft Word didn't even load. System Preferences took about a minute to make its way to the surface. And Firefox took about the same amount of time.


Has this happened to anyone? I've searched the forums and have seen that people are having performance issues but have not seen a forced update of any kind.


My laptop is fairly old (mid-2010) so I try not to update it unless I have to; a forced update is the first I've seen.


I am backed up, but it's a pain to have to deal with this. There isn't an uninstall either which truly makes this a one-way update dance that I am struggling with - didn't have issues with the version before this update.


Any assistance on this matter is truly appreciated. I have yet to run any scans to check the system itself so I am working on that - whether or not the numbers show it, I am definitely feeling the performance hit already - hopefully another restart will do the trick.


Thank you in advance,


Kayosanthou

MacBook Pro, macOS High Sierra (10.13.5)

Posted on Jun 24, 2018 3:59 AM

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Jun 24, 2018 5:05 AM in response to kayosanthou

I am using Word 2016. Took about two minutes to even get to the main screen to open documents.

Two minutes is only slightly longer than it should take. The slow start for Office 2016 was caused by Microsoft. Their Software Engineers are idiots. Because they don't understand sandboxing, they bundled all of the Office fonts into each app. So, every time you open one of their apps, the OS must load the fonts from disk. If you have a spinning hard drive, it takes forever. The only fonts that should be bundled into the App are those needed for the user interface.


You must learn to leave Office apps open so you don't have to wait for the Microsoft Stupidity penalty.


8 GB of RAM helps, but nothing is going to make High Sierra run faster with a spinning hard drive. I am running HS on a 2010 MBP with 16GB RAM and SSD. It runs quite well with High Sierra. Office only takes about 10-15 seconds to open an app, now.


If you don't want to install an SSD, restore from your backup and make sure the Settings in App Store System Prefs are set correctly to not install an update automatically.

Jun 24, 2018 4:56 AM in response to kayosanthou

I am backed up, but it's a pain to have to deal with this.

No it's not. Boot into Recovery and restore from your backup.


App Store System Prefs has the settings to allow system to auto-update itself. Otherwise it doesn't.


If you are still using a spinning hard drive, things will be slower.

Initially, Spotlight will have to re-index and caches rebuilt which will slow down the Mac for a while.


What version of Word? 2011 and 2016 should work, but both probably need the current updates from Microsoft.

Jun 24, 2018 5:43 AM in response to kayosanthou

Addendum to Barney's comments. Although a 7200 rpm 500 GB HDD, and 512 GB SSD — both optional were available for this MBP, the performance sounds like you have the default 500 GB 5400 rpm HDD. The storage interface is SATA 2 (3Gb/s), and not the faster SATA 3 (6 Gb/s) that arrived in the 2011 models.


You might retrofit a SATA 3 SSD in this machine and could experience some noticeable I/O improvement. MacSales, and Micro Center have SSD replacement drives. Micro Center has the 480 GB Inland SSD for $75USD. More than a few posts here have encountered challenges with Samsung 860 and T5 drives with High Sierra so caveat emptor.

Jun 24, 2018 9:20 AM in response to kayosanthou

Two minutes is excessive. Even for a laptop with a hard drive.


I'm also using a 2010 Mac, though it is a Mac Pro, and simply by design is faster than a laptop of the same era. 16 GB of RAM installed.


Main point of this: When I was running off of a hard drive, the initial launch of Word 2011 after a startup or restart was about 30 seconds. From the SSD I've been running from for quite a while now, Word 2016 is up and ready to use in 10 seconds. And that's the slow one. PowerPoint, Excel and Outlook are at most 5 seconds.


With two minute launch times, I'd be concerned the hard drive is dying.

Jun 24, 2018 4:52 AM in response to Barney-15E

Hi Barney-15E,


Thank you for your quick reply. The pain is actually in having to wait to load everything, not the process of restoring the backup. I restarted my computer and waited for it to boot up. Firefox took about a minute to load. Logic X took 3 minutes to start and then another minute or two to load plugins.


I am using Word 2016. Took about two minutes to even get to the main screen to open documents.


Before the update, these programs did not that this long.


Thanks for the auto-update tip. I will update Word and report back. Will restore back up if it still slows down.


Thanks again!

Jun 24, 2018 5:40 AM in response to Barney-15E

I see - thanks for clearing that up for me.


I've been looking to upgrade to an SSD - looks like it's time. Quick question - is your 2010 MBP one of the few that can do 16GB of RAM? I recall trying to upgrade mine to 16GB but was told that 8GB was the max - this was a few years ago.


Thanks again! Feeling better about this situation. Looks like SSD is the way to go.

Jun 24, 2018 5:43 AM in response to VikingOSX

Hi VikingOSX,


Thanks for your help. I have been thinking about an upgrade to SSD and it looks like the prices are good now.


I have the Hitachi 500GB 7200RPM. It's probably just a fluke at the moment. I am clearing out a few apps, uninstalling some programs, and running some utilities/cleaning. Will see how it goes. That Inland looks pretty good - do you recommend it or is there another SSD may be better (if slightly more expensive)?


Thanks!

Jun 24, 2018 6:53 AM in response to kayosanthou

I was at Micro Center Friday morning, stood drooling at the price of the Inland SSD, but as I haven't done any research on the company or the drives, I walked away from that very attractive price. So its mention is more for your price awareness. It may be an excellent drive for the price — I don't know.


I would be inclined to use Crucial, or even the Toshiba OCZ TR-200 SSD. A few years back, Toshiba purchased OCZ Technology, and it is a pre-acquisition OCZ Vertex 128GB that has seen daily usage in my 2011 Mac Mini since it was purchased in Sept/2011. Fast, and no issues at all — so I can recommend OCZ products. Newegg has the 480GB TR-200 for $123USD. I have also been using a Toshiba 2GB P300 3.5 inch, 7200 rpm HDD in an external Startech USB3.1 Gen 2 enclosure for Time Machine duties. Two years and no issues.

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