Routing to a multi channels audio bus

Hello !


I'm trying to make a multi-sources mix (6 speakers in a special configuration, not circular, for a special immersive experience).


I would like to distribute for each track, the output to each channel of my sound system (so 6 speakers + 4 subs = 8 channels). My problem is with the "surround" output, it's not possible to do that because I don't want to have the algorithm with spread, distances, etc, it only lets us to do that with AL, AR, M, L, R. I'm really searching for a solution to have 8 output tracks (or one multi-channels track with 8 channels to output a 8-channels file) and to have the possibility to route each track (and pilot the sending volume with an automation) to it.


Do you know the solution ?


I know Pro Tools has this feature but I can't find it on Logic...


Thanks a lot !


Pierre

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Posted on Jul 12, 2018 4:18 AM

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Posted on Jul 15, 2018 12:12 PM


If I do like you just said : I route (by using outputs instead of sends) all my tracks to a track of an aux → I won't be able to decide in which output (of my sound card) it will sounds because all my tracks have ONE output which will be the bus and which will be assigned to ONE output.

I do not know how else I can explain it to you, but, as I mentioned above a few times, for a multichannel bus setup with eight different submixes you have to use eight Aux channels (and not one, as you describe above).


Alternatively, join your eight submix elements into stacks and send each stack's output to a SEPARATE bus (e.g. stack one goes to Bus 100, stack two goes to Bus 101, and so on). These Buses serve as inputs for 8 SEPARATE Aux channels to which you assign eight SEPARATE outputs on your audio interface.


Get it now?

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Jul 15, 2018 12:12 PM in response to Pierreko


If I do like you just said : I route (by using outputs instead of sends) all my tracks to a track of an aux → I won't be able to decide in which output (of my sound card) it will sounds because all my tracks have ONE output which will be the bus and which will be assigned to ONE output.

I do not know how else I can explain it to you, but, as I mentioned above a few times, for a multichannel bus setup with eight different submixes you have to use eight Aux channels (and not one, as you describe above).


Alternatively, join your eight submix elements into stacks and send each stack's output to a SEPARATE bus (e.g. stack one goes to Bus 100, stack two goes to Bus 101, and so on). These Buses serve as inputs for 8 SEPARATE Aux channels to which you assign eight SEPARATE outputs on your audio interface.


Get it now?

Jul 12, 2018 10:19 PM in response to Pierreko

If I understand you correctly, you just have to set up 8 Aux channels in Mixer and assign a separate output channel on your audio interface to each of them. Set up a separate Bus (say, Bus 1 to Bus 8) as input on each of them. You'll also have to set these buses as outputs for the tracks in Mixer that you want to send to a particular speaker. Here's your basic multichannel output setup (see screenshot): 8 Aux channels with Bus 1-8 assigned as inputs, no output so far (as I don't have my multichannel interface connected, you can label the channels according to the speakers they output signal to (here it's Sp 1-8).


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Hope that helps. Cheers!

Jul 15, 2018 11:08 AM in response to Pierreko

Well, you are limited to 8 send slots per track, but that doesn't mean that you have to use sends to OUTPUT audio from the track. There are 256 buses, right? So, first you route all the audio from a particular track or submix (including Aux channels responsible for send effects in that track or submix) to one of the free bus channels. That bus channel is set as an input on one of Aux channels, which in turn is set to output audio to one of the separate outputs on your audio interface. Is that clear now? I hope it is.


Btw, as a note, IT IS possible to save the multichannel bus setup (as I described above) as a user patch in the Library. That would preserve the all channel routings, so you can recall it any time.

Jul 16, 2018 12:33 AM in response to Pierreko

Hello !


So here is my solution to output many tracks to 6 separate auxes without using any send on any track, and without using the poor surround panner tool...


1- Create a new audio track and change the input type from Stereo to Surround.

2- Add an audio effect : Utility -> Multichannel Gain.

3- You can change the input to Stereo or Mono if you want, now.

4- Set the output of each track to "Bus 1".

5- Create 6 Auxes with a surround input and set it to "Bus 1".

6- Add the Multichannel Gain to each Aux and Mute all the channels excepted his channel (in order to filter the surround input and use the Aux to add effects like EQ, Comp, etc and use the fader like a VCA).

7- Set the output of each Aux to "Bus 2".

8- Create an Aux "Master Surround" (if not created) with a surround input and set it to "Bus 2".

9- Set the output of this Aux to Master (surround too).


You can now send each track to any output of you sound system without using sends or the surround panner, using the automation's control of Multichannel Gain

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I hope Logic will do something to resolve this problem x)

Jul 13, 2018 12:01 PM in response to Pierreko

Unfortunately, your screenshot doesn't tell me anything without further comments. As for your question, it has evolved a bit far from the original one, I must say. Not sure I clearly understand what are you trying to do here. First it was about routing the sound to your sound system. Now it's about automation and exporting tracks as audio.


Just FYI, Logic does not encode multichannel audio files. Do do so, you'll have to export a multitrack and use either the Compressor app (sold separately) or some other 3rd party software to encode it further into a broadcast format you prefer (if that's what you want, of course).


You don't necessarily need to route tracks to your sound system for Logic to be able to export the audio. Say, you have just 8 audio tracks in your arrangement and you're satisfied with how each of them sounds when you monitor the song through the sound system. Also, you've automated their respective playback parameters (volume, pan, etc.) to your liking. At this point you may use File -> Export -> "All Tracks as Audio Files" to create a multitrack for further encoding into a multichannel audio file.


It may be a bit more complicated if you have numerous tracks that you want to be grouped into eight submixes corresponding to the sound system outputs. To be able to export these as separate audio files with playback automation (as you describe it), I'd suggest you use 8 summing track stacks. Again, once the song sounds to your liking, you can export these 8 summing stacks as a multitrack using the command described above.

Jul 13, 2018 1:20 PM in response to Pierreko

You can definitely recreate this bus functionality of Pro Tools with a bit of creative routing in Logic's Mixer.


Aux channels, that you can assign separate inputs (summing stacks / buses) and outputs (speakers in your sound system) to, can also be grouped in a summing stack. You can then save this stack as a channel strip setting and name it something like "Multichannel Bus". Viola! Now you have this option in Logic.

Jul 13, 2018 4:33 PM in response to Pierreko

Not exactly what I meant. To create that multichannel bus, you have to route audio from your tracks (or track stacks, groups, submixes, or whatever is producing audio in your project and is supposed to go to the eight audio outputs) to Aux channels via Buses 1-8, with these buses serving as inputs for Aux channels and as outputs for the 8 audio-producing elements in your project (like I pointed out in my initial reply). That's the first step. Next, you assign multiple outputs, according to your sound system, to these Aux channels. That's the second step. The final step is to select these Aux channels in Mixer and join them in a stack.

Jul 13, 2018 4:49 PM in response to Pierreko

I think I might not be quite right about saving the Aux channel stack as a channel strip setting that would recall the bus audio routings later on. However, there's always a possibility to recreate the audio routing in an empty project and save it. In Logic you can import Environment layers from other projects, so you'll be able to recall this bus setting at any time.

Jul 13, 2018 12:51 AM in response to Radarhus

Hello !


In fact I already created buses and assigned them to my outputs (but I also want to export this multi-channels audio track but I think it's not possible in logic because the Panner (mono, stereo or surround) looks to be rigid and can't accept other configurations (and it's my problem I think because all tracks MUST go through the panner...).


That I do for the moment is assigning aux to my outputs, send my tracks to the bus (with sends, not output of the track), and when I want to export it, I make 8 bounces and I mute auxes to isolate the output I want to bounce...


So my question is, can I do that without using my sends, because I don't "just" want to send some tracks to one of the outputs, but really modulate (and pilot with an automation) the level for EACH outputs, like I had a mixer for each track.


Do you understand ?


Thanks 🙂


Look at my screen 😉

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Jul 13, 2018 12:24 PM in response to Radarhus

In fact, no, it's not far from my question, or I had difficulties to explain it with my bad english ^^ As I wrote in my title, I'm searching to route a track to a multi-channels audio bus. In fact, I want to know if, in logic, like in Pro Tools, we can make an audio bus with "n" channels (1=mono, 2=stereo, n=what I want) because I have "n" outputs on my sound system and I have to "level" each send to each output.


It's why I send you my screenshot with a very simple project with 6 outputs (I see actually that you don't see than 248 -> 253 are stereo busses assigned to auxes ( my 6 outputs)). I took it because you see that if I route 8 auxes, I cannot use any audio bus to make what I want (reverb, etc).


I don't know if it's more precise... I already know all about "classical" export to mono, stereo, surround, and I already use Compressor, my question is really on the audio-buses possibilities (AND tracks possibilities in fact).


Thanks 😉

Jul 13, 2018 1:42 PM in response to Radarhus

I'm not sure you are seeing what I mean. But I'll try what you are explaining to me and I'll say you if it's what I'm searching for ^^


So if I understand, for you, to create a 8-channels bus, I create 8 Auxes in a summing stack and I send my track output to the input of the stack ? Like this ?


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If it's too complicated, send me a link for one blank project with you idea x)


Thanks 😝

Jul 13, 2018 10:49 PM in response to Radarhus

Hello !


So, if I understand, you use 8 sends of each track to route to each outputs. So it’s not the solution... because as I said before, I can’t use 1 send per outputs because I have to use sends for effects too ^^

In ProTools you have ONE send which is multi-channel and you can level each channel sends in this bus. It’s what I’ m searching for. A send or a track output with a special panning system x)


Thanks ;-)

Jul 15, 2018 11:46 AM in response to Radarhus

Sorry but I think you don't understand my problem. Or I don't understand what you mean but there is a problem ! I think I was clear... I have to "level" EACH TRACK of my project for EACH OUTPUT and I'm searching for a solution which don't use all my send of each tracks !


If I do like you just said : I route (by using outputs instead of sends) all my tracks to a track of an aux → I won't be able to decide in which output (of my sound card) it will sounds because all my tracks have ONE output which will be the bus and which will be assigned to ONE output. The only possibility with this solution is the bus has 8 channels, but it's precisely the subject of my question.


I already know how can I create stacks, submix, routing tracks, etc... If you really think it's me who don't understand, send me a screen or a capture with one or two tracks assigned to a 8-channels output, separated in my 8 physical output please... Or describe by step by step, precisely, how do you do that ?


Thanks ;-)

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