User Library Folder SubFolders Explained

Where can I view a detailed explanation of what the various subfolders are used for in the user's main library folder.


Due to issues with Sierra & High Sierra corrupting the Administration account every so months I've have to create a new Administration account and manually transfer user information while not transferring any system settings.


I've color coded many of these to be ready for the next time this happens but I usually still miss some items. Some folders I do not copy as I am not sure if they are system are not.

MacBook Pro, macOS High Sierra (10.13.4)

Posted on Jul 19, 2018 5:34 PM

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Jul 20, 2018 8:21 PM in response to eyepieced

The main dock on Mac has nearly 60 apps. I have Dock-It installed with additional docks at the top, right, and left of one screen with 50+ additional frequently used apps.


I'm 99.9999 percent certain it's one of your apps causing the corruption. I'd first look at any app you need to specify your admin password to install. I suspect you have a lot of old apps. These app have not keep up with the times. It's water over the ****, but you should have a production system and and a test system. At least have a production drive. When you want to upgrade, use Carbon Copy Cloner to clone you production to a new drive/partition. Update it. Run apps to see if they still work. Once satisfied, move to the new drive.


I have to recommend the Windows favorite solution: nuck your drive. You should get three drives. Production α, backup β, and backup γ. Install macOS in α. Use CCC to copy α to β. Use divide and concur to find out the problem software. Install half of the software on your production system. Does α work fine? Good, CCC β to γ. CCC α to β. Install half of remaining software on α. Proceed accordingly. Does α fail. Bad, CCC βto α. Install half of the "bad" package of software onto α. Does it work or not. Proceed down good or bad path.

This will be painful, but you have painted yourself into a corner by doing work-a-rounds to get out of problems without finding the root cause.

R

Jul 20, 2018 8:24 PM in response to rccharles

Perhaps someone can spot the issue.


1) Try a safe boot.

Shutdown your machine. Hold down the shift key. Poweron. The boot up will take longer than normal because the filesystem on the startup drive is being checked and repaired as needed. All about safe mode including what features and apps safe boot leaves out.

http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1455


2)

Download etrecheck. Click on the download link at the bottom of the screen. http://etrecheck.com/

Run etrecheck. The first five runs are free.

How to post etrecheck findings:

a) click on "Share report"

User uploaded file

b) click on "Copy report"

User uploaded file

c) Paste the information into an ASC forum reply.


Using EtreCheck by etresoft, the author https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-11591

Stamp of approval https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-8181


3) list what software you use. Perhaps someone can spot the "bad" boy.


R

Jul 19, 2018 6:17 PM in response to eyepieced

Why hasn't Apple created a migration assistant to transfer information from one user account to another user account on the same Mac, but without copying any system information or Apple applications so as to corrupt the new user account?

I imagine it is not a commonly needed function. Did you disable the option to migrate applications?

Some applications like…

Are they storing the information in the Application bundle, or in the user Library? If in the Library, it should be in its own folder either in Application Support or straight in the Library folder. Just copy that from one user to the other. It would be best to copy it into the /Users/Shared folder, then log into new account and copy from Shared to the new account Library.

Jul 20, 2018 4:06 PM in response to Barney-15E

Barney-15E wrote:


I imagine it is not a commonly needed function. Did you disable the option to migrate applications?

A Google search and this own forum says otherwise.

How many did you find? How does that number's magnitude compare to the millions of macOS users?

I have no reason to alter the migration settings since its I of no use.

You asked about Migration; I assume, now, that you did not mean actually using the Migration Assistant. There's not really any "altering" of anything. It asks what you want to Migrate. You choose the user and deselect Applications.


How is it that you are managing to corrupt the user account?

If you are direct copying from one user's Library to another's, that won't work well at all. You might recover from that by using this:

Resolve issues caused by changing the permissions of items in your home folder - Apple Support


You might also try making a backup, deleting your old user, and use Migration assistant to migrate the backup to your Mac.

How to move your content to a new Mac - Apple Support


I have seen requests for that feature ever since multiple user accounts were offered.


Do user accounts become corrupted?


Yes!


One has the choice of:


1. Reinstalling the entire OS; all 3rd party apps; unlocking software by entering licenses; establishing your bookmarks and site passwords; reestablishing settings and preferences, resetting connected hardware such as scanners, and a host of other things.


2. Creating a new user account and transferring non system settings and data from one account to another.


The main dock on Mac has nearly 60 apps. I have Dock-It installed with additional docks at the top, right, and left of one screen with 50+ additional frequently used apps.


Sorry, Apple I do not want to do #1 as that would mean several days work whereas doing #2 manually now takes several hours after much practice and color tagging many of the files I need to transfer. This process would actually take many other people longer, but I keep a archive of of apps, installers, passwords, notes regarding settings, procedures.


Now imagine if #2 could be completed with a feature similar to Apple's Migration Assistant. A few minutes time.


Yes, 3rd party apps do install various files at various places but then Apple knows what files and folders belong to the OS and thus it knows what to exclude. A simple donation ware app such as AppCleaner can find the various hidden files that a 3rd party app installs but Apple can't despite having a lot more money and a lot more programmers.

Jul 19, 2018 5:38 PM in response to eyepieced

I doubt that there is one. Apple doesn't document much about the OS; pretty much the minimal amount of information to get you working.


Do your standard accounts become corrupted? If not, you'd be better served by operating from a standard account until you figure out what is causing the corruption. Just log into the Admin account on the rare occasions it is necessary.

Jul 20, 2018 5:05 PM in response to eyepieced

Do user accounts become corrupted?

Yes!

How are they becoming corrupted? Knowing that might help solve the problem.

I've never had a corrupted user account, ever. Of the six Macs I have currently running, none have ever had a corrupted user account.

I have seen requests for that feature ever since multiple user accounts were offered.

There have been requests for thousands of features. That doesn't mean there is time and resources to implement them. Nor does it mean that they are important or necessary. It might be nice to have, but it is hardly necessary to ever do this.

Your Mac(s) have issues that you need to resolve. Maybe it is third-party software, maybe something else.

Until you figure out what causes the corruption, you'll just be stuck doing this over and over. If that's the route you want to go, create a new user, open that Library Folder and document all of the folders. Once you start opening applications, the ones added to the Library are the ones created by those apps.

Jul 21, 2018 4:03 PM in response to eyepieced

That's unfortunate. I'd like to review the etrecheck report myself.



How to post etrecheck findings:

1) click on "Share report"

User uploaded file

2) click on "Copy report"

User uploaded file

3) Paste the information into an ASC forum reply.

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7. I looked in the DiagnosticReports and saw reports for Finder & Dock but Apple's forum will not let me paste them here. It keeps saying post contain illegal characters.

That's unfortunate. The latest version of etrecheck attempts to work around this issue. It could be that etrecheck only clean up the report when you do the copy the etrecheck way. [ I don't know if this feature has made it out of beta yet anyway. ] Apple knows all about it. It's an anti-spam feature that Apple not likely to change any time soon.

R

You need to paste the results on some other site on the web. I use pastebin.com

R

Jul 20, 2018 2:01 AM in response to Barney-15E

I imagine it is not a commonly needed function. Did you disable the option to migrate applications?

A Google search and this own forum says otherwise. There and many last resort solutions to problems that require the creation of a new user account on the same Mac. That in turn requires the transfer of all non Apple files so the new user account is not corrupted but the user still still has all his data, non Apple supporting software files, etc... Of course Apple would have to omit there are can be problems with its OS that require such a procedure thus we see no such easy transfer from Apple.


I have no reason to alter the migration settings since its I of no use.


Are they storing the information in the Application bundle, or in the user Library? If in the Library, it should be in its own folder either in Application Support or straight in the Library folder. Just copy that from one user to the other. It would be best to copy it into the /Users/Shared folder, then log into new account and copy from Shared to the new account Library.


That really depends on the app at the time they were written. Many apps are not going to be updated to the "ideal" since they are no longer updated, the publisher is out of business, etc. Some folders and files and not named after the application but the unfamiliar publisher name, etc. A single app can have multiple files and folders in different folders across the OS.

Jul 20, 2018 2:26 AM in response to eyepieced

After creating a new user account as before and transferring all my files the new user account now starts showing the window below. It will not go away. Entering a password repeated times will not make it go away. Cancelling it will not make it go away.


I thought maybe its an issue with privileges with one of the files the Library folder so I attempted to change privileges using the Get Info procedure from the Finder. I can unlock the Get Info settings, but as soon as I touch the settings for user there the Finder displays a spinning beach ball and is unresponsive.


User uploaded file


I boot up in recovery mode and try Disk Utility and Terminal commands. No problems indicated but no fix.


I boot up in recovery mode again to reinstall the existing OS only to find that Apple's servers have not reinstalled the existing OS but installed the lasted version of High Sierra. NOT WHAT I WANTED!


Problem now worse.

Jul 20, 2018 11:49 AM in response to eyepieced

Hello eyepieced,

Can you back up and explain the external hard drive problem in more detail? Perhaps in a new thread?


The Library folder should be considered entirely off-limits to the end user. This folder is reserved for apps to use. The only thing an end-user can do in this folder is corrupt the contents. It is not documented in any way. Apple apps and third party apps are free to install software and files in any locations, at any time, and for any reason. What you are attempting is simply impossible.

Jul 20, 2018 1:52 PM in response to eyepieced

I imagine it is not a commonly needed function. Did you disable the option to migrate applications?

A Google search and this own forum says otherwise.

How many did you find? How does that number's magnitude compare to the millions of macOS users?

I have no reason to alter the migration settings since its I of no use.

You asked about Migration; I assume, now, that you did not mean actually using the Migration Assistant. There's not really any "altering" of anything. It asks what you want to Migrate. You choose the user and deselect Applications.


How is it that you are managing to corrupt the user account?

If you are direct copying from one user's Library to another's, that won't work well at all. You might recover from that by using this:

Resolve issues caused by changing the permissions of items in your home folder - Apple Support


You might also try making a backup, deleting your old user, and use Migration assistant to migrate the backup to your Mac.

How to move your content to a new Mac - Apple Support

Jul 20, 2018 3:22 PM in response to eyepieced

The Finder finally allowed me to use the Get Info window to fix the permissions for all the enclosed items in the new user account. After dismissing the alert window once it did not appear again.


All apps seem to be working again except for Classic under SheepShaver. It doe snot seem to like the latest version of High Sierra which Apple decided to install instead of restoring the already installed version. That means I can't use some Classic only scanners which despite being old have a better depth of field that the junk on the market these days.

Jul 20, 2018 3:36 PM in response to etresoft

Sorry, I am not having any issues with a external hard drive. I have four internal drives and external drives are used for backups of content such as pictures and documents. Some apps will allow you to export their content, but others store it on the OS disk along with settings and license information.


I have already done what I am attempting multiple times.


1. Sierra & High Sierra corrupt the current Administration account.

2. By corruption I mean no applications can be launched unless they are added as login items. If they are quit then they must be added as login items again and another rester must be completed. Finder and Dock will crash upon attempting to launch any app, even System Preferences, if its not already running.

3. This issue is not fixed by internet recovery, disk repair, terminal, searching Google, or calling Apple.

4. At this point in time I've not touched a single file in the Library folder. Its the OS that randomly corrupts the user account every so many months. The last time was April.

5. The only way to fix this is to create a new Admin account.

6. After a new Administration account is created then the various non system settings and data are transferred to the User Sharing folder and on to the new user account. This time the newest edition of High Sierra that Apple installed during internet recovery (instead of just fixing the existing version) did not like some of these files. I am guessing the permissions were wrong as fixing them got rid of that dialog box that I've never seen before in the OS.

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