Network Time Machine solution after discontinuation of Apple Routers?

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No more Apple routers, but people keep saying "only use Apple routers for network Time Machine backup," so what to do?


Word on the street for ages is "don't use a non-apple anything for Time Machine".


The explanation is that AFP is proprietary and so non-Apple implementations like Netatalk are simply not reliable, despite having been under development and widespread use for 10 years (i.e. since the release of the original Time Capsule). AFAIK, Apple has stayed silent on the issue of whether or not to simply steer clear of third party network Time Machine solutions, presumedly because that would be a blow to the dozens of such commercial solutions available, and would likely lead to a strong push for them to simply license AFP or open-source it to solve the issue permanently. Then again, since when has Apple shown a single sign of interest in what its users want. Only company I know of that actually hosts a support forum that they, apparently as a rule, don't look at themselves!


Now, however, we seem to be at an impasse: the "solution" to third party network Time Machine use is still "no", but Apple has laid the issue bare by discontinuing the the AirPort Extreme and Time Capsule.


If third party network Time Machine is simply not to be used, then how is this any different from Apple saying "don't use Time Machine over a network, ever, period"? Seems like "only use Apple routers for Time Machine backup" should now be read as "only use nothing," since they'll no longer be made!


Among the posts of people claiming (since Apple won't clarify this for us) that you shouldn't use third party network Time Machine solutions, are the posts of people who have been using them for years without a problem, and an ever increasing list of such third party NAS products, each claiming to offer Time Machine support.


Personally, I use a 8-drive NAS as my office to backup about a dozen Macs for a few years now, and haven't had a single issue. By contrast, I used to subscribe to the idea that third party NASs shouldn't be used for Time Machine, so I instead elected to run macOS server on a dedicated Mac and run Time Machine from there, but the unreliability of the server machine itself (2013 Mac Pro) precluded any chance it had at being a reliable backup destination. At my house I use an AirPort Extreme 802.11ac for Time Machine, and I've had to replace it 3 times in the 4 years I've owned it. Seems that whatever unreliability will result from a third party solution couldn't be any worse than what I've experienced with the ONLY two "officially supported" network Time Machine solutions.


To conclude: where do we go from here for network Time Machine backup? Has "only use Apple" necessarily changed to "only use nothing"? iMore goes over a few options: use the discontinued Apple Routers until they're end-of-lifed (not a great solution), use a macOS server machine (tried it; not great and not feasible for most), or use a *gasp* third party NAS that supports AFP and Time Machine.

Posted on Aug 5, 2018 8:25 AM

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Posted on Aug 5, 2018 8:50 AM

.....but people keep saying "only use Apple routers for network Time Machine backup," so what to do?

Not sure what you mean by "people".


Apple's own support document on disks that can be used with Time Machine clearly states that other NAS products can be used with Time Machine.


Backup disks you can use with Time Machine - Apple Support


Time Machine can back up the data on your Mac to these backup disks:

  • An external USB, Thunderbolt, or FireWire drive connected to your Mac
  • An AirPort Time Capsule's built-in drive (any model)
  • An external USB drive connected to an AirPort Time Capsule (any model) or AirPort Extreme (802.11ac model only)
  • Network volumes connected using Apple File Protocol (AFP)


For example, Synology NAS products fully support Time Machine backups, and a number of users on this forum have posted to say that they are very happy with the results. I have no interest in Synology other than that as a satisfied customer.


Perhaps some of the other users will see this post and reply to confirm.


Word on the street for ages is "don't use a non-apple anything for Time Machine".


I've been on this forum for 10 years, but have yet to find the street that you might be referring to. Perhaps you could provide some specific directions.

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Aug 5, 2018 8:50 AM in response to ninjadude9

.....but people keep saying "only use Apple routers for network Time Machine backup," so what to do?

Not sure what you mean by "people".


Apple's own support document on disks that can be used with Time Machine clearly states that other NAS products can be used with Time Machine.


Backup disks you can use with Time Machine - Apple Support


Time Machine can back up the data on your Mac to these backup disks:

  • An external USB, Thunderbolt, or FireWire drive connected to your Mac
  • An AirPort Time Capsule's built-in drive (any model)
  • An external USB drive connected to an AirPort Time Capsule (any model) or AirPort Extreme (802.11ac model only)
  • Network volumes connected using Apple File Protocol (AFP)


For example, Synology NAS products fully support Time Machine backups, and a number of users on this forum have posted to say that they are very happy with the results. I have no interest in Synology other than that as a satisfied customer.


Perhaps some of the other users will see this post and reply to confirm.


Word on the street for ages is "don't use a non-apple anything for Time Machine".


I've been on this forum for 10 years, but have yet to find the street that you might be referring to. Perhaps you could provide some specific directions.

Aug 5, 2018 3:02 PM in response to ninjadude9

Just a little addition to Bob's comment.


With High Sierra.. Apple is supporting Time Machine backup over SMB.


Tesserax has done the actual tests.. and while it is still possible to use AFP since SMB must have Apple mods to work of course.. it will always fall back to AFP when backing up to the Time Capsule.

In light of the change with High Sierra.. and perhaps the looming demise of the airports.. Apple moved the Time Machine server add on to standard OS.

Only it MUST be used with SMB now.


See

How to Set Up Your Mac to Act as a Networked Time Machine Drive


We have certainly been recommending Synology NAS for many years as a reliable alternative to Time Capsules..


I agree though.. you do need to be careful in choosing the target device. I tested with cheap low end NAS devices.. and while they worked pretty well would inevitably have issues.. or Apple would change something and catch all the NAS makers out for a few months until they could update the firmware.

I am still testing with Asus router using USB3 disk which is formatted HFS+ and much like those low end NAS.. it works but not so reliably that I could recommend it.

Also recently (last few days actually) been testing a Linksys router which is supposed to support HFS+ but so far it is totally unusable.

Synology also build a router line that is supposed to support Time Machine. I have not tested it but they have sufficient experience with TM on the NAS to do it.. however no testing I have seen yet is longer term. And the speed of the USB is poor on the synology for reasons I cannot fathom.


Note also High Siera.. TM backup has been less than reliable to any network target Apple or not.

We recommend Carbon Copy Cloner as a possible alternative.. it doesn't have the neat integration of TM into the OSX but then again you don't continually get this. I finally got tired of fact that TM couldn't reliably backup even to a Time Capsule.


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