MagSafe Pinout question

I have a 2012 MacBook Pro whose hard drive has failed. I also have a 2013 MacBook air. The MagSafe connectors are different shapes. One is round & the other is square. I was hoping to keep the MacBook Pro AC adapter & charger & use it as a backup for my MacBook air but the pins are incompatible. Both have 5 pins. According to Wikipedia:


The MagSafe connector pins allow for the adapter to be inserted in either of two orientations. The first and second pins on each side of the tiny central pin have continuity with their mirror pins.


The inner large pins are V+

The outer large pins are ground.

The tiny center pin is a data pin using the 1-Wire protocol. The computer uses this pin to change the LED’s color and retrieve the serial number and wattage of the power supply.

Only two wires – power and ground – go to the charger unit. There is no data communication via the adapter sense pin with the charger unit itself.


Why are there 2 voltage & 2 ground pins? Why not 1 voltage & 1 ground pin for a total of 3 pins?

Mac mini, macOS High Sierra (10.13)

Posted on Aug 27, 2018 5:09 AM

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Aug 27, 2018 9:32 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

I know that the voltage for the MagSafe is different from the MagSafe 2.


I looked at the output voltage on both AC adapters. The MacBook Pro (MagSafe) is 16.5 to 18.5 volts at 4.6 amps. The MacBook Air (MagSafe 2) AC adapter is 14.85 volts at 3.05 amps. I can see how the 45 watt & 85 watt adapters get their power. 18.5 volts times 4.6 amps equals 85 watts & 14.85 volts times 3.05 amps equals 45 watts. Both the voltage & current are lower on the newer (MagSafe 2) connector. I can spend $10 & get the MagSafe to MagSafe 2 adapter so I can use my MacBook Pro adapter. I wonder if it would be safe to use a higher voltage & current on my MacBook Air. I plan to recycle my MacBook Pro. Speaking of which, do the Apple stores take old non-functioning laptops & recycle them?

Aug 27, 2018 8:26 AM in response to leroydouglas

OOPS! That thought occurred to me after I sent the post! DUH!!!


So, why did Apple, in its infinite wisdom, drop the MagSafe connector in favor of the USB-C connector? The MagSafe connector is so logical. If one trips over the power cord, the MagSafe connector comes unplugged. If one trips over the power cord, the USB-C connector stays in the laptop & the laptop ends up on the floor. Nowadays, everything is soldered or glued. So, basically one buys a disposable laptop. It doesn't matter if it's a Mac or PC or Chrome-book. The MagSafe connector should be universal.

Aug 27, 2018 8:31 AM in response to macnerd48

Did you look at the US$10 adapter that solves your stated problem?


The industry Trend is toward ThunderBolt-3 ports, which can be customized to do any function just by plugging in the right adapter. Now you can use any port for any function.


If you want a break-away connector, the griffin break-safe is available.

https://griffintechnology.com/breaksafe-magnetic-usb-c-power-cable

They are rumored to be developing a higher-capacity model for use with larger MacBook Pro models.

Aug 27, 2018 11:10 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

The voltages at the power adapter output are unregulated, and circuitry inside the Mac regulates and conditions it to exactly what it wants for its battery charging.

Both the laptop & the AC adapter get pretty warm when I'm charging the battery!


You can always use a power adapter with more capacity with impunity. The computer only draws what it needs and is not "overpowered".

I do recall reading about that on the 'net.


I've considered using my laptop as a desktop replacement (I have a Mac mini.) & hook up an external monitor, keyboard & mouse but from what I've read, lithium batteries don't like being constantly charged & apparently I need to have my laptop hooked up to an AC adapter as long as I'm using external monitor, keyboard & mouse.

Aug 27, 2018 12:28 PM in response to macnerd48

from what I've read, lithium batteries don't like being constantly charged

There is a huge amount of outdated information about batteries available on the web. and lots that simply does not apply to the batteries and use patterns seen in Apple notebook computers.


Apple makes no such claims.


"When your MacBook has power nearby, plug it in. When it does not, use it on battery."


About Mac notebook batteries - Apple Support

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Aug 31, 2018 6:14 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Alrighty, then.


I'll keep my MacBook Pro charger/adapter. Unfortunately, my MacBook Pro has met an untimely demise. I got it in September 2013 & last week the hard drive died. I'm pretty sure that it's the hard drive because last Thursday it took 5 minutes to get to the desktop & on Friday, it never got to the desktop. Even after 20 minutes, it was still on the boot screen. I don't want to spend hundreds of dollars replacing the hard drive with a solid-state drive. I'd rather spend the money on a new or newer laptop. I traded in my iPad Air 2 on a 2013 Macbook Air. I'll miss my MacBook Pro.


Thanks for answering my questions!

Aug 31, 2018 7:57 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

I traded in my iPad Air 2 for a mid-2013 MacBook Air at Experimac. They sell used laptops & minis. I've watched YouTube videos. It's not that hard to replace a hard drive on a mid-2012 MacBook Pro. I don't have the proper tools to do it. Besides, I fear that I'll screw something up. Experimac charges $299 for a 500 GB SSD plus $50 for labor. I don't want to spend $350 on a 5 year old laptop. I'd rather apply that money towards a new or newer laptop. So, I'll recycle my MacBook Pro.


I'll get a MagSafe to MagSafe 2 adapter.


There's a rumor going around that Apple will come out with a mini for professionals this fall. Plus an entry-level MacBook. I hope so!

Aug 31, 2018 8:33 AM in response to macnerd48

Before you decide to enrich a repair facility for a straightforward task you could do yourself, watch the appropriate Video of how to perform this upgrade. Select the one for your computer from this HUGE list of Install Videos produced by OWC/Macsales:


OWC Install Videos

Your computer appears to requires only #0 Phillips screwdriver, and a T6 torx driver. These are available for low cost, probably under US$10.


OWC has drive packages that includes all tools required, plus the drive required for your specific Mac.

Aug 31, 2018 8:40 AM in response to macnerd48

Ha ha— sounds like you just want to buy a new Mac


OWC/Macsales has a kit option: Tools/SSD/enclosure—everything you need.

OWC SSD Upgrade Kits For MacBook Pro 2012



Neptune is the economy drive

Search Results for neptune at MacSales.com


You can search for just the enclosure and tool kit as well pair that w/ a Neptune.


more overview:

https://eshop.macsales.com/search/?q=tool+kit+and+external+enclosure+for+2012




The 2012MBP considered a real workhorse— the last of the user fully upgradable both Storage and RAM.

with all the ports USB3, SDcardreader, DVDsuperdrive, Firewire800, etc








MacBook Pro (15-inch Mid 2012), macOS (10.13.6), i7 480GB SSD 16GB RAM

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