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Slow boot time after update to Mojave - External SSD

Hello!


I have a iMac 21" 4k 3,1ghz 2015. I installed an external SSD Samsung 860 Evo 512gb to avoid losing the Apple 1yr warranty if I opened my iMac by myself.


So when I was using APFS format and OSX High Sierra, my iMac used to start, then 2 seconds with a completely empty screen(black) looking for the boot SSD, then the Apple logo appear and it would take another 18 seconds for the system to start completely.

Total boot time = ~20secs.


Now I installed the new MacOS Mojave and my current boot time are very very slow; when I turn on the computer the screen stills black for 2 minutes more or less "looking for my external boot SSD" and then the Apple logo appear and +18secs the system starts.

My current boot time = More than 2~3minutes!!!!

I have also a MacBook Pro 2017 TouchBar and TouchID with 512GB integrated SSD also with APFS format, and update this from High Sierra to Mojave at the same day/time to the iMac. Fortunately the MacBook Pro booting done in about 20secs.


So... There is any solution for fixing this "everlasting" blank screen when booting the iMac with MacOS Mojave and external SSD with APFS format?

I've researched about this, but I can't find anything to solve it. So, I hope someone here may help me!



Thanks!

iMac, macOS Mojave (10.14)

Posted on Sep 28, 2018 8:34 AM

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Posted on Oct 3, 2018 11:44 PM

Hello everyone,

i've found the solution.

The reset of the SMC not work, during the night (all the night) I shutdown the mac and disconnect the power, so the power cord is disconnected for about 7-8 hours.


A friend lent me a ssd thunderbolt drive, which I completely formatted.

With UtilityDisk have created a new APFS partition, and I used Carbon Copy Cloner to do a clone of the entire SSD USB3 to the new Thunderbolt SSD.

After the clone finished I've rebooted the mac, set the new drive as Startup Disk under the settings panel.

After the chime, now the apple logo appear after more or less 10 secs.

The boot time is now reduced from 2-3minutes to complessively about 20-30secs from the chime to OSX.

I've used only the Carbon Copy Cloner app, nothing else; nothing command settings, nothing particular settings.

So, in the conclusion, the problem is the USB3 enclosure (can be the TRIM functionality that is not present to the USB3 enclosure, even if it supported the TRIM and the UASP functionality.

Thank you for all, my friends !!

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Nov 25, 2018 3:00 PM in response to gerofromronnenberg

I use Akitio Thunder SATA Go (eSata to Thunderbolt v1) adapter. This seems to be the cheapest Thunderbolt option with two eSata ports (for two external HDDs). You can hook your SSD directly using the included SATA -> eSata cable. In my case I connected my Startech USB/eSata enclosure with its eSata cable. Akitio adapter is powered by the Thunderbolt cable which is very short but you don't have to pay for it. Included SATA -> eSata cable is powered by a USB Type-A port of your Mac.


Delock 42510 requires Thunderbolt cable (sold separately) and a power adapter (included). What is interesting is that Delock cuts the power when machine goes to sleep, which increases "Unsafe shutdown count" SMART parameter of my SSD. I didn't notice any problem with the SSD though (it cools down to the ambient temperature on sleep and then heats up to 39-40 C after each wake up).

Nov 25, 2018 3:23 PM in response to alex_ivaylov

OK, I opened the iMac and I replaced the internal HDD with the SSD. It is working even faster than before. It is still on HFS+ so I don’t know if this fixes the issue. I will reformat at some point and do a clean install again.


One thing I read recently is that Samsung are offering tools for updating the SSD firmware. For anyone having this issue – it will be worth it to try and update your SSD firmware to see if this fixes it.

Nov 26, 2018 1:21 AM in response to RPAEA

I think the AKITIO Thunderbolt solution is not as good for stationary use as the Delock/LaCie enclosures - simply because it's not an enclosure. You still need to occupy a USB port, meaning you need two cable connections to your Mac (USB and TB) - apart from the cable between between the adapter and the SSD. Also, you have two devices, the adapter AND the ("naked") SSD lying around on the table at the rear side of your Mac. Plus, the Thunderbolt cable is very short, it's 10cm of which only 6cm are flexible, so the adapter will literally be hanging on the TB connector of an iMac.

I think so far, the LaCie solution desribed a few posts above is the most practical one so far, and it comes at approx. the same cost as the Akitio adapter (at least here in Germany). Only one single cable connection is used (the included TB cable) without the need for an additional power supply USB cable connection. The downside here is the big "rugged" orange enclosure design which might look a a bit stupid connected to an otherwise quite elegant iMac.

The Delock solution looks quite good on the iMac, but here the major disadvantage is the need for an additional power supply (which is included though), meaning another cable connection. If there was a combination of LaCie/Delock, meaning a nice and small more "Mac style" enclosure (like the Delock) that doesn't need a power supply (like the LaCie), then that would be something I'd seriously consider.

Nov 26, 2018 8:55 AM in response to gerofromronnenberg

Indeed, the Akitio Thunderbolt cable is very short, but it's not looking that bad behind my Macmini (it's aluminium with white cable). For an iMac you will need a stand (i.e. a book) to put in on. The advantage of Akitio is lower price (~91 USD) and that I you can connect two HDDs to a single Thunderbolt port (I just hooked two of my existing USB/eSata enclosures with their long eSata cables).


The Rugged LaCie costs (~130 USD) and has a little longer, but orange Thunderbolt cable. May be you can manage to put the drive on your desktop below your iMac, but not too far from it. You must trow the included 1TB HDD and connect only one HDD to a Thunderbolt port.


Can anyone with LaCie Rugged confirm if your SSD SMART parameters are OK especially when machine goes to sleep (look for changes of "Unsafe shutdown count" and "UDMA CRC Error count")?

Nov 27, 2018 11:02 AM in response to polo91

To read SMART parameters of your SSD you need a third party app as DriveDx or SMARTReporter. They provide trial versions. Or you may use the free "smartctl" which is only a command line tool, but actually all other utilities use it.


Unfortunately macOS DiskUtility shows only a summary as "S.M.A.R.T. status: Verified" (when It's able to read SMART data).

Nov 29, 2018 2:17 AM in response to maverick1987

Same problem here.


I have an 2017 iMac (Retina 4K, 21.5-inch, 2017) with an Samsung 850 EVO 2TB in an 2,5" Event EW7070 USB 3.1 enclosure.

Connected with an usb-c > usb-c cable.

Tried it also with an usb-c > usb-a cable, but the same problem.

After boot I have to wait 2~4 minutes for the Apple logo, after that it is starting normal.

Nov 29, 2018 7:54 AM in response to maverick1987

I'm sorry but the "solution" provided by the OP is not a solution. It is not acceptable that an OS update causes normal external SSDs to essentially stop working. This is nearly the last straw for me with Apple. They simply have no consideration for their customers and their products are no longer superior enough to justify such poor behavior. Apple was once the brand that "just works" -- that is no longer the case.

Nov 30, 2018 1:56 AM in response to maverick1987

Mac OS Mojave doesn't support anymore HFS+ in a boot Drive.

So you can't update your OS if it detects that you're using a HFS+ formatted drive. You need to use your original drive to update the OS and clone again to the external SSD.


I am on same situation, Fusion Drive 1tb inside, boot on Fusion Drive is fast, boot on Samsung T5 takes 1-2 minutes until Apple logo. On High Sierra with Samsung T5 in HFS+ everything was smooth.

Dec 1, 2018 2:22 AM in response to maverick1987

Perhaps this got nothing to do with the problem discussed here, but I just found out by accident my iMac doesn't swap memory at all when starting from my external T5 (iMac late 2013, USB3, 32GB). Is it possible this is the reason, does the OS fail to set up VM at startup? Would you check whether your swap is working?

I just came across this as I was running a huge batch of photos and the whole system eventually crashed with no memory left and no swap used.

Sorry if this is not of any help, I was just wondering ...

Dec 1, 2018 6:45 AM in response to fototypo

You're right.


I've found int my IMac that the VM partition on the external disk wasn't mounted. You can check it running the diskutil command on a terminal: diskutil ap list


I've found the solution in this url: https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/318266/mac-os-x-is-not-creating-a-swap -file


But this problem has no relation with the slow boot. Once solved (the VM), the boot time before logo is the same.

Dec 1, 2018 3:52 PM in response to fototypo

I use external Thunderbolt SSD (which boots < 1 sec. to the Apple logo), but my VM volume was not mounted as well ("diskutil apfs list"). This seems to be another bug that Apple have to fix. I mounted VM volume manually and tested with "memory_pressure -l critical". The swap is working properly, now. Thanks for letting us know.

Dec 2, 2018 6:18 PM in response to _fiery

I've been experimenting with the slow boot issue. First my setup - I have a 2017 27" iMac with an internal fusion drive, which boots with no issues. I have three external enclosures - two identical Mercury Elite USB-C Raid 0 arrays, with Samsung EVO 860 SSD drives, two drives in each enclosure. These attach to the two USB-C/Thunderbolt ports. I have a third enclosure with my backup drive and a 2.5" drive attached via USB 3.0.


My iMac was booting fine, until I attached the second Raid array, yesterday. Adding the second array made the bootstrap portion of the boot as long as 5 minutes. Performing various actions (NVRAM, PRAM resets, etc.) brought down boot times to about 3:10. The only way I could get a sub-minute boot was to remove the second Raid array. I used SuperDuper to clone the Mercury Raid array to the second, larger Raid drive. I thought maybe the disk arrays being clones had some impact, so I erased the smaller array and then rebooted. 3:10 on the reboot.


In my case, it seems to be caused by the second Raid array being attached via USB-C.

Slow boot time after update to Mojave - External SSD

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